RE: [registrars] FW: Application for domaininfo.biz

[Rick Wesson <wessorh@ar.com>]

Rob,

It doesn't matter if Bhavin used zonefiles or whois to collect the data,
no matter if agreements were violated, they are all the time and by many
parites involved in the DNS.

haven't we learned these contracts you refer to are not enforceable.

-rick



On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Rob Hall wrote:

> I have a question about how the data was obtained.
>
> If it was by hammering on the whois or other registry services, or by using
> the zonefiles in any way, this would violate the agreements in place to
> prevent that type of abuse.
>
> Rob.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
> Behalf Of Tom D'Alleva
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:16 PM
> To: Donny Simonton; 'Bhavin Turakhia'; registrars@dnso.org
> Cc: holloran@icann.org
> Subject: RE: [registrars] FW: Application for domaininfo.biz
>
>
> Donny,
> I definitely agree with your assessment, it is SPAM, pure and simple.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
> > Behalf Of Donny Simonton
> > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:01 PM
> > To: 'Bhavin Turakhia'; registrars@dnso.org
> > Subject: RE: [registrars] FW: Application for domaininfo.biz
> >
> >
> > Bhavin,
> > We have been "inundated", by our customers complaining that another
> > registrar has their contact information!
> >
> > No matter how you put it, this is SPAM!
> >
> > Donny
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Bhavin Turakhia
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:47 AM
> > > To: registrars@dnso.org
> > > Subject: RE: [registrars] FW: Application for domaininfo.biz
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I believe this mail originates from us, and I am glad it is up for
> > debate.
> > >
> > > Couple of points I would like to make -
> > >
> > > * I have been closely in touch with Neulevel before sending this mail
> > (and
> > > any others)
> > >
> > > * Most IP Claimants have this inherent feeling that by purchasing an
> > IP
> > > Claim on the domain name they are secure, and that they will get their
> > > domain name irrespective of whatever happens in this Round Robin. You
> > may
> > > do
> > > a survey yourself and obtain similar results. This is because during
> > the
> > > IP
> > > Claim sale phase a large number of Resellers convinced companies that
> > the
> > > only way to protect their IP interests was to buy a $90 IP Claim, and
> > that
> > > by buying it their interests would be secured.
> > >
> > > * Thos who are aware that they do not have any special chances of
> > getting
> > > their domain name are not aware that they would need to fork out $1500
> > per
> > > domain name to win their domain name back if a Speculator gets it.
> > >
> > > * Over the last 2 months since the .BIZ Round Robin process was
> > announced,
> > > a
> > > large number of Customers have approached us, and other Registrars who
> > we
> > > have spoken to to apply for Domain Names in the Round Robin process.
> > We
> > > took
> > > a distribution set of these clients and found out that over 96% of
> > these
> > > clients are speculators.
> > >
> > > * In .INFO there were well over 1500 Sunrise Challenges and over 10000
> > > more
> > > filed by Afilias itself at a value of $249 per Challenge it comes to a
> > > wastage of over $2.8 million. Additionally a large number of genuine
> > IP
> > > holders still missed out on their domain names
> > >
> > > * When we initially investigated various business models of various
> > > Registrars, we realised that in the .BIZ queue too a large number of
> > > domain
> > > names would end up going to the Speculators resulting in Domain Name
> > and
> > > IP
> > > mayhem of the kind never seen before. Speculators could hold IP
> > Claimants
> > > ransom since IP Claimants would need to spend $1500 to obtain a name
> > with
> > > no
> > > guarantee of results
> > >
> > > * We decided therefore to work an alternative strategy and assist only
> > IP
> > > Claimants in obtaining their names. Therefore we have submitted all
> > our
> > > names through various other key Registrars as well as our own queue on
> > > behalf of only IP Claimant holders. We have put in our details for the
> > > Registration of the name and will change that after registration to
> > the
> > > appropriate IP Claim Holder and transfer the domain name to them. This
> > was
> > > the only way to prevent Speculators from getting hold of these names
> > and
> > > then IP Claimants having to file an expensive STOP proceeding.
> > >
> > > * i have been practically inundated with email and chat from various
> > > genuine
> > > IP Claimants who were never aware of the fact that by having the ip
> > claim
> > > they would not get the domain name. All of them have been thankful
> > that
> > > someone atleast bothered to put up 10 pages of comprehensive
> > information
> > > to
> > > educate them on the issue. some of the names of clients who have used
> > our
> > > consultancy to improve their chances include Samsung, SEIKO, Intuit,
> > > Suzuki
> > > etc
> > >
> > > I would love to have a conversation with any of you about my feedback
> > in
> > > further detail if you would wish to speak with me
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > > Bhavin Turakhia
> > > CEO
> > > Directi
> > > ----------------------------
> > > Tel: 91-22-6370256 (4 lines)
> > > Fax: 91-22-6370255
> > > http://www.directi.com
> > > ----------------------------
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
> > > > Behalf Of Per-Anders Hurtigh
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 8:51 PM
> > > > To: registrars@dnso.org
> > > > Subject: [registrars] FW: Application for domaininfo.biz
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Fellow Registrars,
> > > >
> > > > It would be interesting to have your thoughts on the below practice.
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Per-Anders Hurtigh
> > > >
> > > > Domaininfo AB - a House of Ports company
> > > > http://www.domaininfo.com - http://www.ports.info
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > > From ipclaim@directi.com  Wed Mar 13 15:58:09 2002
> > > > Subject: Application for domaininfo.biz
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mr Per-Anders Hurtigh,
> > > >
> > > > You have an IP Claim on the domain DOMAININFO.BIZ.
> > > >
> > > > You would have surely applied for this domain name through some
> > > > Registrar, yourself. However DO NOT LET this IP Claim lend you a
> > > > false sense of security about definetly obtaining your Domain
> > > > Name. We at Directi have conducted extensive Research on names
> > > > which have an IP Claim on them, and the chances of your getting
> > > > your Name are not too high. In the worst case your chances of
> > > > getting domaininfo.biz maybe around 1.25%
> > > >
> > > > Whats more... if you do not get domaininfo.biz then to obtain it
> > > > back using a WIPO Claim you will need to spend $1500 with NO
> > > > GUARANTEE in outcome. For details on the WIPO Arbitration process
> > > > please refer to the links below
> > > >
> > > > Fee Schedule:
> > http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/gtld/biz/stop/fees.html
> > > > STOP Guidelines:
> > > http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/gtld/biz/stop/index.html
> > > >
> > > > It is obvious therefore that this round robin is the only real
> > > > way to get domaininfo.biz. But with a 1.25% chance you do not
> > > > have much of a scope.
> > > >
> > > > We at Directi, an ICANN ACCREDITED Registrar, have worked out a
> > > > unique IP Protection program, in order to assist your chances. We
> > > > have submitted domaininfo.biz to queues of a large number of
> > > > Registrars on your behalf. We can now cancel these applications
> > > > or proceed with them, based on your permission. If you allow us
> > > > to proceed with these applications, it would multiply your
> > > > chances of getting domaininfo.biz by several times (over 10-15
> > > > times on our count). We are helping a large number of IP
> > > > Claimants like you obtain their rightful names. Unlike other
> > > > Registrars we have catered only to genuine IP Claimants and
> > > > trademark holders.
> > > >
> > > > You DO NOT have to pay us anything right now. What you need to do
> > > > however is prove that you are the genuine IP Claimant for
> > > > domaininfo.biz, since we do not wish to cater to speculators or
> > > > cybersquatters. You can do this by following the steps below
> > > >
> > > > 1. Visit
> > > > http://namesecure.directi.com/namesecure/step1.jsp?domainname=doma
> > > > ininfo.biz&ipclaimid=2413
> > > >
> > > > 2. Paste the below security code in the box provided on that page
> > > >
> > > > Security Code: Iv7Jz5I9EL
> > > >
> > > > If we do manage to get domaininfo.biz for you, we will charge you
> > > > a modest fee of $149. However if a speculator gets it instead of
> > > > you, you will end up paying $1500 to get it back. It is better to
> > > > increase your chances of getting domaininfo.biz for FREE. You do
> > > > not need to pay us anything right now. BUT YOU MUST follow the
> > > > above steps in order to establish your genuineness as an IP
> > Claimant.
> > > >
> > > > Couple of observations:
> > > >
> > > > Most IP Claimants have this inherent feeling that by purchasing
> > > > an IP Claim on the domain name they are secure, and that they
> > > > will get their domain name irrespective of whatever happens in
> > > > this Round Robin. This is because during the IP Claim sale phase
> > > > a large number of Registrars and Resellers convinced companies
> > > > that the only way to protect their IP interests was to buy a $90
> > > > IP Claim, and that by buying it their interests would be secured.
> > > > Those who are aware that they do not have any special chances of
> > > > getting their domain name are not aware that they would need to
> > > > fork out $1500 per domain name to win their domain name back if a
> > > > Speculator gets it.
> > > > Over the last 2 months since the .BIZ Round Robin process was
> > > > announced, we have found that most applications for all
> > > > trademarked names have been submitted by various speculators to
> > > > various Registrars.
> > > > In .INFO there were well over 1500 Sunrise Challenges and over
> > > > 10000 more filed by Afilias itself at a value of $249 per
> > > > Challenge - a wastage of over $2.8 million. Additionally a large
> > > > number of genuine IP holders still missed out on their domain names.
> > > > When we initially investigated various business models of various
> > > > Registrars, we realised that in the .BIZ queue too a large number
> > > > of domain names would end up going to the Speculators resulting
> > > > in Domain Name and IP mayhem of the kind never seen before.
> > > > Speculators could hold IP Claimants ransom since IP Claimants
> > > > would need to spend $1500 to obtain a name with no guarantee of
> > results.
> > > > Click here to find out more about our research, about the WIPO
> > > > Arbitration process, about the .BIZ Round Robin and what it means
> > > > to you as an IP Claimant, and about how you can improve your
> > > > chances of obtaining domaininfo.biz .
> > > >
> > > > Alternatively you can Chat live with our IP Protection team,
> > > > online. Click the LIVE CHAT link below OR write us at
> > > ipclaim@directi.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > DETAILS OF YOUR IP CLAIM
> > > > Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
> > > > Domaininfo AB
> > > > Lilla Bommen 1
> > > >
> > > > Gothenburg
> > > >
> > > > 41104
> > > >
> > > > Trademark or Service Mark: domaininfo
> > > > IP Claim String and Identification Number: domaininfo.biz 13314
> > > > Description of Goods and/or Services: Domain name registration
> > services.
> > > > Alleged Date of First Use: 1997-10-01 00:00:00.
> > > > Country of First Use: SWE.
> > > > Trademark Status: COMMON
> > > > Date "Registered" or "Applied For":
> > > > International Class: Not Applicable
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards
> > > > IP Protection Team
> > > > Directi
> > > > http://www.directi.com
> > > > ipclaim@directi.com
> > > > Tel: 91-22-6370256
> > > > Fax: 91-22-6370255
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> >
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