RE: [registrars] whois lookup

["Michael D. Palage" <michael@palage.com>]

Rob:

I suggest your patent attorney analyze this potentially relevant prior art
and what you may now have to disclose to the patent office. I do not know
when you filed you application but there is a one year time bar in the US
under 35 USC 102, and most other countries require absolute novelty.

If my memory serves me correct, Rick disclosed this functionality in one of
the new gTLD proposals (summer of 2000). To be honest I never fully
appreciated the utility of this concept until the recent events of data
mining. Sorry Rick, I guess you had the foresight on this technology.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
Behalf Of Rob Hall
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:44 PM
To: Paul Stahura
Cc: Registrars Mail List
Subject: RE: [registrars] whois lookup


Paul,

It is us that is doing it ... we call it "alias email", and we have applied
for a patent on the process.  We would welcome discussion with any registrar
who wishes to license this from us.


Rob.
Namescout.com

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
Behalf Of Paul Stahura
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:19 PM
To: Registrars@Dnso. Org
Subject: RE: [registrars] whois lookup


Just like with illegal drugs, there is the supply-side and the demand-side.
What Ken is talking about below is the demand-side.
He makes valid point that I happen to agree with.

An additional way of limiting the abuse is on the supply-side.
We are contemplating implementing an "whois-email-address-changer"
service whereby the email addresses in eNom's port-43 output
will be dynamic.  I forget which other registrar is already doing this
(or soimething similar) (please tell me if you know which one)
This service will change the outputted email addresses to something like:
"thisaddrwillexpirein24hours.code1234567890@whoisemailforwarder.com"
all email sent to this address will be forwarded to the real address.
These addresses will be valid for a period of time
(like 24 hours, or a week) at which time it will never be used again.
This gives registrars enough time to send xfer notices (or whatever
"good" purposes we use the info for), yet
would then invalidate any abuser's scrapped whois information
every 24-hours.
The real addresses will still be publically available in our web-based
whois,
just like it is now.  (email addrs are outputted as a gif images there
which is harder to grab/parse, since you need OCR to do so).

Comments?

Paul




-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Stubbs [mailto:kstubbs@digitel.net]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 5:29 AM
To: Ross Wm. Rader; Registrars@Dnso. Org
Subject: Re: [registrars] whois lookup




I would assume that this kind of behavior I described  would affect ALL
registrar's image and would be sanctioned under any proposed registrar "code
of conduct" .

improper registrar actions towards outside parties (be they their own
customers, other registrars customers or registries) can influence outsiders
views of our "constituents" and that is of paramount concern to me.

I am frankly tired of people using  the improper actions of a few registrars
to "paint" all registrars.

if we want to have future creditability for our constituency, then we need
to be willing to "step up to the plate" and deal difficult issues like this
which affect our respective business image..

any registrar who uses improper & unethical  business practices to
"advantage" themselves in the marketplace needs to be "strongly sanctioned"
and the issues I raise most definitely fall within this area.

ken stubbs


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ross Wm. Rader" <ross@tucows.com>
To: "Ken Stubbs" <kstubbs@digitel.net>; "Bhavin Turakhia"
<bhavin.t@directi.com>; "Registrars@Dnso. Org" <registrars@dnso.org>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [registrars] whois lookup


>
>
> > how do you suggest we deal with registrars who intentionally data mine
the
> > "thick registries "
> >
> >
> > ken stubbs
>
> That's a problem for the registries to deal with. Let us instead concern
> ourselves with data mining of registrars under the thin model...each of us
> are directly effected...
>
> -rwr
>
>
>