RE: [registrars] Registrars Collecting on Multi-Year Registrations

["Bhavin Turakhia" <bhavin.t@directi.com>]

My two bits -

I would side with Rob. Here are the concerns addressed on both sides -

1. this model would automatically allow lesser losses in case of
fraudulent transactions. Since Verisign is doing nothing to prevent
this, we as Registrars should prevent it nevertheless

2. The primary concern would be in the case of a transfer - transfers
would result in the customer having overpaid. this however can easily be
handles since the registrar gets a notification just before a transfer
away, and so he may issue the renewal command immediately before
acknowlerdging a transfer

3. if a registrar can make some money on float I do not see it to be
illegal or wrong in any fashion. As it is margins are low, and losses
due to fraud etc are high.

4. there is no risk of the domain getting deleted since verisign anyways
does an auto-renew and the registrar simply needs to take no action to
make sure the domain continues perpetually

bhavin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-registrars@dnso.org
> [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org] On Behalf Of Rob Hall
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:13 AM
> To: Donny Simonton; registrars@dnso.org
> Subject: RE: [registrars] Registrars Collecting on Multi-Year 
> Registrations
> 
> 
> Donny,
> 
> I am not sure how one is even remotely related to the other.
> 
> Deleting a domain before expiry has nothing to do with
> renewing it incrementally.
> 
> Rob.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
> Behalf Of Donny Simonton
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:06 PM
> To: registrars@dnso.org
> Subject: RE: [registrars] Registrars Collecting on Multi-Year
> Registrations
> 
> 
> It's about as valid as the business model when a customer
> tells you 90 days before a domain expires that they will not 
> be renewing a domain and some registrars delete the domain then.
> 
> You don't want to renew this domain, that's we have now
> deleted it. Even though they have paid for a full year.
> 
> Donny
> directNIC.com
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-registrars@dnso.org
> [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org] On
> > Behalf Of Rob Hall
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:26 PM
> > To: registrars@dnso.org
> > Subject: RE: [registrars] Registrars Collecting on Multi-Year
> > Registrations
> >
> > This is a valid business model for many reasons.
> >
> > It is not against our Registry contract, and should not be
> until the
> > registry model changes.
> >
> > Rob.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
> > Behalf Of Mike Lampson
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:17 PM
> > To: registrars@dnso.org
> > Subject: [registrars] Registrars Collecting on Multi-Year
> Registrations
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> > This is a terrible business practice as documented by VeriSign.
> > Prohibition against such practices needs to be in our Code 
> of Conduct.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mike Lampson
> > The Registry at Info Avenue, LLC
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "VeriSign Global Registry Services"
> > To: VeriSign Registrars
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 12:42 PM
> > Subject: Registry Advisory: Multi-Year Registrations
> >
> >
> > To All Registrars:
> >
> > As you know, running effective renewal campaigns depends
> upon keeping
> > accurate customer data, including contact information for reaching
> them by
> > e-mail, direct mail, or phone. Equally important is ensuring
> expiration
> > dates between VeriSign Registry and registrar are consistent.
> >
> > The sale of a multi-year registration that is registered
> with VeriSign
> > Registry for only one year will create a discrepancy in the
> expiration
> > date, meaning you have to manage separate expiration dates for
> registrations,
> > adding cycles to your renewal efforts and increasing the
> chance that a
> > registration may be inadvertently deleted.  Additionally,
> registrants
> who
> > have paid for a multi-year registration but later become aware that
> they
> > only received a one-year registration may question the registrar's
> right
> > to
> > engage in such a transaction. Indeed, processing multi-year
> registrations
> > as
> > one-year registrations will create a liability on the part of the
> > registrar should the registrant choose to transfer its 
> registration to
> > another registrar.  The transfer process causes the discrepancy to
> > surface
> because
> > the full registration term purchased by the registrant will
> not carry
> > forward to the new registrar. All registrars are required to process
> all
> > domain name registrations and renewals through VeriSign
> Registry with
> the
> > same term length as was agreed to by the registrant.
> >
> > All registrars should periodically crosscheck their data
> with VeriSign
> > Registry data available in the weekly Domain Name reports.  Our
> Customer
> > Service Representatives are always available to assist you with any
> > questions you have on discrepancies between your 
> registration data and
> > expiration dates with VeriSign Registry. If you have any questions
> > regarding this Registry Advisory, please contact Customer Service
> >
> > Chris Sheridan
> > Manager, Customer Service
> > VeriSign Global Registry Services
> > www.verisign-grs.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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