Re: [registrars] Registrars Collecting on Multi-Year Registrations

[Patrick <dnso-reg@dnso.org>]

On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 08:35:09AM -0400, Ross Wm. Rader took time to write:
> The proposal, as I read it, is not to move data to the registry that was
> not there before, but to request that the registry operator publish
> additional elements that they already possess.
> 
> Patrick - if I have misinterpreted your comments, please advise.

Ross, you interpreted everything right.

The Registry has the ``true'' creation and expiration date.
This should be available in Registry whois. As are nameservers.

I can agree with Siegfried that contracts should be enforced.
Until that however, it would help a lot if Registry provides dates,
so that there are no more problems
1) with transfers refused because Registrars says that domain has
expired (when it has not, due to multi year registrations not taken
into account or other ``glitchs'', like registrant/reseller changes,
etc...)
2) with renewals after expiration followed by transfer, in which case
a year is substracted, and registrants do not believe that, and
believes that the gaining Registrar defrauded him,
3) with multi-year registrations not applied to Registry (see
Verisign announcement and start of this thread)

Contrary to other things, those dates do not create privacy problems.
Information is there, better to use it.

Also, if the Verisign allowed an RRP STATUS on any domain (including
ones a Regitrar does not handle), that would help. Some other
Registries do it.

And, Siegfried, for better or for worse the current path seems to be
toward thick Registries. You may disagree (I do), but it is life.

> > true data on the whois can not result in moving the whois (or part of 
> > it) to the registry. If we continue with that logic we will be asking 
> > soon that the registry takes over other duties of registrars....and 
> > finally we have a monopoly again (with a registry whose registrar 
> > does publish false data according to ICANN ) .

I do not believe that the main competition among Registrar is in
running whois. I feel that many Registrars would be happy to stop
having a whois, if that would not be a requirement by contract.
And in that case, I still believe competition would happen.
On registration services.

Patrick.