RE: [registrars] Reliable InterRegistrar Data Transfer

[Paul Stahura <stahura@enom.com>]

Bhavin and Rick and Tim,

I agree with all of you.
Which is why we need a conversation and exchange of ideas on this.
One possible method is:
1) only admin and registrant email addrs are opened in XML format to
registrars 
(and only registrars). A registrar must have a request 
(not validated yet) to transfer a name to access the info 
(a trust level is required here, but I think this is solvable too)
for that name.
2) once the gaining registrar has completed the registration, all
the other losing registrar whois is opened to the gaining registar for that
name only.
It is possible to do this over port 43 so another port is not required. For
example, registars would
be giving a password to present when accessing the data, if the password is
presented,
the data is outputed in XML format, if not, the data is as it is today
(or as Tim says, no information is outputted to the public).

Or some other idea, since 
I agree with Rick... we *can* figure it out to benfit us all and reduce the
miss-use.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:02 AM
To: bhavin.t@directi.com
Cc: Registrars@dnso.org
Subject: RE: [registrars] Reliable InterRegistrar Data Transfer


Bhavin,
 
You may be right that it would be difficult to completely ensure it isn't
abused. But what do we have now? Everybody and their brother mining the heck
out of our port 43 and a mess trying to block abuse yet keep it open for
registrars to do legitimate business.
 
So, we would be open to this, and I especially like the XML format idea. But
I also think we still need to lobby to have port 43 closed to open traffic
altogether. If each registrar provides a Web based whois as ICANN requires,
isn't that enough for non-registrar legitimate use? I know the FTC meeting
will be discussing law enforcement access, but we I think that can be
addressed without having to leave a port open to the public.
 
Extending the XML idea, what about each gTLD registry maintaining a location
to store an XML document for each accredited registrar that defines who the
registrar is and what IP or IP block they'll use to access whois from. The
registries already collect most of this information in the accreditation
process. Registrars could set up an automated process that runs daily to
check for new registrars or updates to existing registrars. If a registrar
needs to update their IPs they just need to update the XML document, perhaps
using a registrar tool provided by the registry to do it. Access would only
be allowed to those IPs. Since we would know whose who, registrars would be
able to tell very quickly if it looks like someone is abusing the system and
contact that registrar to discuss it.
 
This would have the added benefit of allowing us to restrict whois access
based on the gTLDs that each registrar is actually accredited for. If a
registrar is accredited for CNO but not BIZ or INFO, they would not be able
to get whois data on BIZ or INFO domain names, at least from other
registrars.
 
Tim

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [registrars] Reliable InterRegistrar Data Transfer
From: "Bhavin Turakhia" <bhavin.t@directi.com>
Date: Wed, September 11, 2002 10:58 pm
To: "'Registrars List'" <Registrars@dnso.org>


In theory Rick I am very interested in this. Infact we have built our
own Whois-parser with a very simple architecture
(http://whois-parser.sourceforge.net). We have different properties
files for EVERY Registrar and we map each Registrar Whois format as a
REGEX in those properties files. The parser then loads these and
provides appropriate output.

Offcourse managing these properties files is a continuous process
since all registrars change their formats now and then. So I am all
for a common pasreable format (maybe even XML).

However I cant think of ways to ensure that this is not misused .....

bhavin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Wesson [mailto:wessorh@ar.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:51 AM
> To: Bhavin Turakhia
> Cc: 'Registrars List'
> Subject: RE: [registrars] Reliable InterRegistrar Data Transfer
> 
> 
> 
> Bhavin,
> 
> 
> Mining data would be specificly prevented. Its easy to see if 
> a registrar is transfering about as many domains as are 
> queried over this service.
> 
> What some have proposed is that registrars need a way to 
> accquire this data for transfers that does not cross the 
> public port 43 whois servers.
> 
> the reasoning, i think, is that some registrar are 
> obfusicating their whois which makes transfers harder. I'd 
> like to find a way so that registrars can easly pass around 
> the data that is required.
> 
> in theory would this be interesting to you?
> 
> -rick
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Bhavin Turakhia wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > are you proposing allowing registrars to MINE data of other 
> registrars 
> > thru some SPECIAL easy to parse format?? I am sorry if I have 
> > misunderstood, but that is what it sounds like
> >
> > Bhavin
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-registrars@dnso.org 
> [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org] 
> > > On Behalf Of Rick 
> Wesson
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 12:59 AM
> > > To: Registrars List
> > > Subject: [registrars] Reliable InterRegistrar Data Transfer
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > There is some desire to discuss a way to move data about domain 
> > > registrations to another registrar via a specified 
> machine readable 
> > > format which does not use the port 43 whois.
> > >
> > > Some registrars have many formats they publish the whois 
> in and this 
> > > mkaes transfering domains even harder.
> > >
> > > If there is interest in developing a solution to this 
> problem I will 
> > > set up a teleconf next week so we can brain storm some methods.
> > >
> > > any takers?
> > >
> > > -rick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 
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