ICANN/DNSO
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14 March 2002.
Proposed agenda and related documents http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20020312.NCaccra-agenda.html
List of attendees:
Peter de Blanc ccTLD remote participation, *proxy given to Elisabeth Porteneuve Elisabeth Porteneuve ccTLD Oscar Robles Garay ccTLD remote participation, *proxy given to Elisabeth Porteneuve Philip Sheppard Business Marilyn Cade Business Grant Forsyth Business remote participation, *proxy given to Marilyn Cade Greg Ruth ISPCP remote participation, *proxy given to Tony Holmes Antonio Harris ISPCP Tony Holmes ISPCP Philipp Grabensee Registrars Ken Stubbs Registrars Bruce Tonkin Registrars Roger Cochetti gTLD Richard Tindal gTLD absent, apologies, *proxy given to R.Cochetti Cary Karp gTLD Ellen Shankman IP remote participation, *proxy given to Laurence Djolakian Laurence Djolakian IP J. Scott Evans IP remote participation, *proxy given to Laurence Djolakian Chun Eung Hwi NCDNH Harold Feld NCDNH remote participation, *proxy given to Chun Eung Hwi Erick Iriate NCDNH Glen de Saint Géry NC Secretary Alix Guillard MP3 Recording Engineer/Secretariat * proxy votes were noted in case of connection failure
MP3 Recording of the meeting by the Secretariat: http://www.dnso.org/dnso/mp3/20020312.NCteleconf.mp3.
Quorum present at 15:10 (all times reported are UTC Accra time).
Philip Sheppard chaired this NC meeting.
Approval of the Agenda/ patch-in for remote participants
The agenda was approved.
AOB: Budget Item proposed by Roger Cochetti
Agenda item 2. Approval of summary of last meeting
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20020214.NCteleconf-minutes.html
Proposed by Tony Holmes
Decision 1 D: Summary of last meeting was unanimously approved
Agenda item 3. Wait list and deletes
Alexander Svensson, Alternate GA Chair reported on the deletion / grace
period.
- the current system relies on voluntary cooperation but as registrars
do not always cooperate, the net result is that registrants loose names.
- a more formalised system is needed
- the grace period proposal seems to be a reasonable system but the details need
to be examined.
As far as re-registration services, wait lists are concerned,
- all suffer from inequity and drawbacks,
- they vary from Registrar to Registrar,
- they are primarily a speculative revenue source for providers,
- the market size has not yet been tested,
- adoption of this practise is uncertain.
Marilyn Cade reported on the NC task force. Following the failure of the Registrar Constituency
to solve the problem internally at the ICANN Montevideo meeting it was decided to establish an
NC Task Force.
Scheduling is as follows:
- a preliminary report will be produced in March/April on Apparent Authority,
that will take into account consultation with ICANN legal staff to define the
concept.
- a final report in May will be open for public comment.
- a final Names Council report to the Board in June.
- data gathering will take place through the validation of user experience from
a web based survey.
- too early yet to say what recommendations will impact policy.
Agenda Item 4: ICANN CEO restructuring proposal
http://www.icann.org/general/lynn-reform-proposal-24feb02.htm
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc09/doc00008.doc
Philip Sheppard introduced the subject by drawing attention to the latest version of the Structure Task Force report and
a draft Names Council Resolution
on restructuring in response to the Lynn report: "The Case for Reform".
The draft resolution proposed devolving work to the existing Structure Task Force
in line with its current terms of reference. Alternatives discussed were:
- devolve the work but add extra people to the Task Force,
- work on the response as the whole Names Council.
The
following points were made in the discussion:
- The Registrars questioned whether the existing task force was the best place
to discuss change.
- Concern was expressed about the delay if more people were to be added.
- The gTLD Registry constituency felt that the key issue was whether ICANN should
continue or be changed.
- The IP Constituency did not have enough time for member consultation, they
were not against the draft resolution, but requested some changes.
- The Non Commercial Domain Name Holders said that users were shocked and they consider
the Lynn report hostile. They urged for
a new DNSO Working Group to be formed.
- The ccTLDs were concerned that the Lynn report lacked a clear process, moves away from the principle of self-regulation and
ignores a unique approach for ccTLDs.
It was agreed that the
full Names Council would be the forum for discussion with input from the GA.
The NC committed to participation in additional Names Council calls which would be scheduled to meet the work load
in the next six weeks. The thrust of the NC response would be DNSO solutions,
not merely criticism of the Lynn report solutions.
Agenda Item 5: At- Large and TF Structure interim report
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20020311.NC_strtf_report.html
The NC Structure Task Force has been working on a response to the ALSC proposals on At-Large. This is work in progress. Ph. Sheppard introduced saying that there were two options, one to be silent and the other to let the Board know the status of DNSO thinking to date. He said the draft TF report was modified at a meeting earlier in Accra and he proposed to forward the draft report to the Board as work in progress.
Discussion
that followed brought up the issue of minority reports.
It was clarified that minority
reports are required by the ICANN bylaws and that their inclusion in DNSO
reports results from this requirement.
The presence of Alejandro Pisanty,
(Board member), in the audience was recognized. Pisanty said that the Board has
an open ear to all proposals and that the Board would be interested to learn
about the DNSO work in progress.
The gTLD constituency requested a change to paragraph 8 section 3 in the draft
report which was accepted: "The gTLD Constituency generally
supports the notion that individual domain name holders should have some role
in the ICANN decision-making process. However, the constituency believes that
it is premature at the current time to present the ICANN Board with an evaluation
of the ALSC report and any recommendations regarding the creation of an at-large
supporting organization. Rather, the gTLD Constituency recommends that the ICANN
Board consider the ALSC Report in conjunction with Stuart Lynn's proposal for
ICANN's general restructuring. Accordingly, the gTLD Constituency does not endorse
the recommendation contained in this report." This is clearly stated as being the
opinion of the gTLD Constituency and there is no implication, whatsoever, that
it is shared by any other constituency. We would like to have it included in
the draft interim report without any judgmental labeling, notwithstanding
the NC report template including a general heading for minority reports. "
Ph. Sheppard proposed the motion:
To pass the draft interim report of
the Structure task force to the Board as work in progress.
The voting results: 13
in favour, 7 abstentions, 1 No. The proposal passes.
Distribution
of votes:
In Favour: Peter de Blanc (ccTLD), Elisabeth Porteneuve
(ccTLD), Oscar Robles Garay (ccTLD), Philip Sheppard (Business), Marilyn Cade
(Business), Grant Forsyth (Business) Greg Ruth (ISPC), Antonio Harris (ISPC),
Tony Holmes (ISPCP), Ellen Shankman (IP), Laurence Djolakian (IP), Ken Stubbs
(Registrars), Bruce Tonkin (Registrars)
Abstentions: Roger Cochetti (gTLD), Richard Tindal
(gTLD), Cary Karp (gTLD), Harold Feld (NCDNH), Erick Iriate (NCDNH),
Chun Eung Hwi
(NCDNH), Philipp Grabensee
(Registrars)
No:
J. Scott Evans (IPC)
Decision
2 D: The report will be sent to the Board.
Agenda item 6: Draft report on . info and Reserved Country Names
http://www.icann.org/accra/icng-topic.htm
Philip Sheppard gave a brief summary of the report and stated that the Board
had a committee which he was invited to join as Chairman of the Names Council.
One of the recommendations was that 329 names of countries in English and the national language are reserved by the Registry. The recommendation differs from an earlier Names Council resolution. The report also proposed that the possibility of a new TLD exclusively for governments could ease the anxiety of governments in the future. Roger Cochetti speaking for the gTLD Registries said that dot INFO did not object to the proposal.
Agenda Item 7: Interim report - WHOIS Task Force
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/nc-transfer/Arc00/msg00149.html
http://does-not-exist.org/whois/
Tony Harris reminded the NC of the the Task Force aim which is to establish if WHOIS policy
should be revised. Nineteen people participated in the TF, Names Council as well as General Assembly members.
Marilyn Cade gave a power point presentation of the considerably work that had been
done to date in a multi-lingual survey.
Agenda Item 8: Status report - UDRP Task Force
J.Scott Evans reported that Co-Chairs, Milton Mueller and Caroline
Chicoine are now distributing questionnaires. After completion of this phase
of work the existing co-chairs will step down. The next phase of work is to
analyse the surveys and then consult with critics and
experts on the UDRP.
There will be a re-evaluation of timing by the new Chair after the questionnaires
are distributed.
Agenda Item 9: Status report - IDN
Task Force
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/International-Domain-Names-EP.pdf
Elisabeth Porteneuve introduced the report
saying that International Domain Names were becoming increasingly important
with the growth of the Internet. Unicode is the only existing table of international character
sets. There are a series of technically challenging issues including: traditional Chinese
vs. Simplified Chinese, Chinese and Unicode, Latin - Cyrillic - Greek character
overlap. The TF is still at the stage of understanding the technical and
political issues.
Chun Eung Hwi added that ICANN should respect the demands of people
who want to use their own names and solve their own problems. There is close
cooperation and coordination among the different stakeholders
and this should show how the community wants to work together.
Agenda Item 10: Status report -
ICANN
TLD evaluation group
Marilyn Cade reported in the place of YJ Park who is no longer a Names
Council member.
The Task Force has concentrated on the kinds of questions to be asked, rather
than an evaluation process.
in its draft report. Accra allowed for face to face consultation with the new gTLD
registries ( .museum, .biz, .info, .pro, .name). The draft report makes possible a two-track evaluation process, bearing in mind
that there are two kinds of gTLDs,
sponsored and unsponsored.
The Task Force is responding to the urgency to get out a report and plans its
next call shortly.
Agenda Item 11: Status report - Transfers
Task Force
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/nc-transfer/Arc00/msg00149.html
This item was discussed at the beginning under the GA report and there were no
further questions.
Agenda Item 12: Discussion high-layer
issues
Roger Cochetti commented that Keywords should not be seen as an alternative
to the root, but they are covers that go over a url.
AOB
Budget report
Excel file in
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20020312.NCaccra-budget-DNSO.xls
A revised 2002 budget with updated allocations but an identical bottom-line
was circulated for information.
Fees past. In 2001, the constituencies that failed to pay their dues came
under the sanctions procedure.
Invoices were mailed out in April, 2001 and in August 2001 the first reminder
notices were sent out and then the clock started ticking. Two constituencies
(non-commercial and ccTLD) have failed to pay their dues and fall under these
sanctions. A 90 day "Show Cause" notice and a charge of 5% interest
on outstanding fees was sent out on 31 January 2002. The non-commercial constituency
has responded to the show cause request. The Budget committee will make a recommendation
to the NC on the responses to the show cause notices at its next meeting.
Fees 2002. 2002 invoices have been sent out in January and one constituency
has paid.
Questions from the Floor
On naming systems,
Keith Teare - Realnames:
Teare made the point that there is a difference between the theoretical framework
and actual systems.
There is a question whether naming systems should be fuzzy logic or specific names to specific destinations.
The Internet Engineering Task Force appears to have reached consensus not to
put multilingual names in the Domain Name Servers.
Peter de Blanc
Drew the attention to the fact that Keywords are market driven and that Microsoft
and Realnames have 80 to 85% of the market. As such Keywords are outside the
system and not part of what the Names Council should consider.
Marilyn Cade
From a Business Constituency stand point, there is support for International
Domain Names which maintain the uniqueness and inter-operability of the DNS.
On deletes,
Jeff Neuman - Neulevel
A Grace Period of 30 days is reasonable. A Registrant can choose the Registrar
if he wants to delete.
The technical, commercial and business
management needs to be worked out.
Norbert Klein - Open Forum Cambodia drew attention to an IDN problem in
Cambodia which he believed has been ignored by Asian members of ISO
10646.
17. 45 the meeting ended.
Next NC teleconference will be held on Friday 22 March at 15:00 UTC
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