Perminant DOmain Names? Was:[ifwp] Re: Who is on the list

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Joop and all,

  All interesting developments in formations of model ideas.  We have one
as well that takes into account trademark concerns as well.

  For instance IBM has IBM.com and IBM.net tiled a trademarks as well
as Domain names.  It is likely that whatever new gTLD's are added
to the DNS root IBM will no doubt trademark domain names in those
name spaces as well.  So as a result, IBM owns those trademarks and really
as a consequence of property law and intellectual property law IBM also
permanently owns those Domain manes as well.

  Therefore we would propose that NSI take the lead here and offer
for sale Permanent ownership of a domain name once it is trademarked
of give a grace period should the customer, at the time of registration
indicate the intent to trademark that domain name. Or possibly in
addition offer that as a service as part of a permanent domain name sale
to any customer.  This could also be offered as a policy as a optional
service that registrars be required to offer.  Comments?

Joop Teernstra wrote:

> At 13:05 21/11/98 -0600, John Reynolds  wrote:
> >>
> >> I, for one, would like very much to count how many on this list will stand
> >> up for Domain Name Owners' interests.
> >> Please reply privately and I will report the result to the list.
> >>
> >> --Joop--
> >> http://www.democracy.org.nz/
> >>
> >
> >The problem with such a poll is that most if not all factions on this list
> >would contend that their positions are in the best interests of domain
> >holders.  Domain holders themselves are likely to have divergent opinions as
> >to what policies best serve their interests.
> >
>
> John and all,
>
> Both assertions are true. I would still like to try to hear who are the
> Domain Name holders' real advocates, though.
>
> I have not heard much divergent opinion as to what policies would best
> serve the Domain Name Owners (Holders , if you wish).
> I would think they would be pretty united on low fees, good service and
> anti lock-in rules protecting a free market.
>
> >As an aside, "Domain Name Owners" strikes me as a misnomer.  Under existing
> >registry models, domain holders lease their domains from a registry owner or
> >shared registry operator, they do not own them.  True ownership of domain
> >names would require an alternative registry model under which a registry is
> >owned collectively by its domain holders, who elect its management and pay
> >maintenance fees to support its operation.  To continue the real estate
> >analogy, this would be a "condominium model" registry, as opposed to the
> >existing "apartment model".
> >
> Again, correctly observed, to a point.  The models are still very much in
> evolution.  The early models have not been made with the commercialization
> of the Web in mind. The Web, and it's associated branding power did not
> even exist at the time of their formulation.
> The problem for the name registrants has been that they never had any say
> in those early models, that are clearly not made to give them strong rights
> and security of tenancy.
> For some, the early models represent nothing so much as a feudal handing
> out of power, where the property rights are retained as much as possible at
> the top of the hierarchy.
>
> The original models also conflict with economic reality, where Domains
> acquire value in proportion to the branding efforts of the owners.
> Ownership is not just a matter of registration. It is  a complex web of
> economic and legal rights and obligations which are all very much under
> discussion.
> Karl is right, this is a well travelled path. You can "own" a lease.
> To me, it is clear that Domain Name owners would be best served by a
> "condominium" model.
>
> --Joop--
> http://www.democracy.org.nz/
>
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