Re: [dnso.discuss] Re: Flawed Drafts submitted to ICANN

["William X. Walsh" <william@dso.net>]

On 08-Feb-99 jeff Williams wrote:
>  All,
>  
>    It is unfortunate that folks such as William, have a reality and/or a
>  reading deficiency problem and there fore refuse to recognize certain
>  facts.  Demonstrations such as William is displaying below in it's
>  disgusting rancor, have plagued these discussions and debates for some
>  time now, and have added little of any meaningful input that is of a
>  beneficial quality to anyone.  <sigh>

"Refuse to recognize certain facts" means that I don't accept that 85,000
people use ONE phone number known to ring to the Homestead Inn in the city Jeff
claims to reside in.  

"Refuse to recognize certain facts" means that I don't accept that all 80,500
of these supporters of INEG are so concerned about their privacy that they will
not have a website indicating their are INEG supporters, that we can go and
visit, or that they are unwilling to have some independant contact information,
such as a name, phone number, and address made public.  NOT EVEN ONE.  Much
less at least an email address that doesn't lead to Jeff's Netcom dynamic
IP standard dialup account (it should be noted that most ISP's business
accounts include Static IP addresses).

I find it hard to believe that a company the size of INEG can't even provide a
domain name that points to their network.  Heck, I have a subdomain of my
business name pointing to my HOME network, which is a set of multilinked
dedicated dialup accounts bonded at a linux router using EQL to treat it as one
connection.  Here in Fresno, this is the cheapeast way to get a dedicated
connection without going for a 384K Fractional T1 connection.  I can't wait for
Pacific Bell to add DSL service in my area this year so I can afford a
faster and better line for my home connection.

I readily admit my total income from this business after expenses and self
employment taxes, to be slightly less than $32K Net(no inflated figures here :).

So on my own limited income, I can afford a faster connection than INEG? I can
afford a domain name for my own business, and INEG can't?

So excuse us Jeff, if we don't believe your claims, for anyone with any level
of reasonableness must see that all the assumptions you are asking us to
believe are rather incredulous.

So I ask a simple proffer of proof.  A single home or work phone number for
one of your 85,000 supporters (who CANT possibly all work in your "office" so
they MUST have a phone number besides yours that you can give).  A domain name
and email address for just ONE of the companies you claim to represent and
speak for (if they are so interested in the Internet, then a FEW of these
85,000 must have at least a virtual server somewhere with a domain name for
their business).  You claim Gallup helped run a poll.  Provide ONE person at
Gallup that we can call to verify.  NOT someone on your side who worked with
Gallup supposedly, but someone at GALLUP who can verify your project.

This is not too much to ask, and you continue to skirt the issue.  Answer the
questions, and stop trying to cast aspersions on people raising perfectly
acceptable and understand questions and requests.  I made very similar requests 
of Mr Javier Sola of his organization, they are perfectly reasonable to expect
when one makes claims on behalf of an organization or group of people.

Either do this, or stop trying to claim to speak for others, and admit you are
here representing yourself, as an individual, as I am , and as many many on
these lists are.  There is no shame in that, and your arguments will carry even
more weight with your honesty.

I ask this not to shame you, Jeff, or to cast aspersions on you, but when you
make claims to present facts on behalf of 85,000 others, I, and all of us
participating, have a right to verity the veracity of that claim, as I
requested of Mr Sola as well.

This is one of the most reasonable requests that could be expected to be made.

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E-Mail: William X. Walsh <william@dso.net>
Date: 08-Feb-99
Time: 18:10:28
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