Re: [IFWP] Re: Registrar Constituency meeting - Berlin

[edyson@edventure.com (Esther Dyson)]

The rooms are open.  Then either the constituencies self-organize, and the
Initial Board  recognizes them, or certain constituencies will be missing in
the initial DNSO. At that point, the constituencies can determine who
qulaifies as a member, but those criteria need to be justifiable in light of
the purpose/nature of the constituency.

esther Dyson

At 12:48 PM 21/05/99 +0200, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
>On Fri, 21 May 1999, Amadeu Abril i Abril wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The Registrar (proto)Consituency will be meting next Tuesday 24 from
8:45am to
>> 12:00 (local Berln time) at the Adlon Hotel, Linden Rooom (Lindenzimmer).
>> 
>> We will be discussing the Consituency charter and strategy, as wel as other
>> vusiness of tierest.
>> 
>> Hope to see interested arites there.
>> 
>> Amadeu
>> 
>> PS: as yu know, current proposal defines inital consituency members as
>> ICANN-accredited registrars only. Ohter wouldbe members, and among them
>> ccTLD-only, non-ICANN-accredited registrars are welcome on an observer,
>> non-voting basis, at least for the moemnt being, even if thsi is one of the
>> issues that will be discussed there.
>
>I was going to write that this is a typical Amadeu, a most shameless
>attempt at capturing the constituency, but I shall leave it to Ms Dyson by
>way of a message forwarded to the IFWP list which makes it very clear that
>*ANYONE* can sit in *ANY* room *AND* vote on *ANYTHING*.
>
>In other words, if I can manage to get my grand aunt (quite hard of
>hearing and has no idea what the Internet is) to come there and raiser her
>hands against any proposal advanced by Amadeu, there is not a thing in the
>world he can do about it, other then voting in favour.
>
>
>I do not agree with this, personally, as commercial domain holders have
>noting to do in a non commercial domain constituency, and in particular do
>lobbyist fronts for commerce  such as ISOC and ETSI have NOTHING to do
>there, nor should Registries have any business in the Registrar
>constituency and so on. And Jeff the Man and Willie the Whiner should be
>sent out to the playground where they belong. If they turned up. If they
>existed.
>
>But who will make these decisions? 
>
>So we really only have one choice, let everyone in everywhere, but only
>against credentials issued by the event organizers, which in turn must do
>that only against proof of identity.
>
>Then all votes must be recorded against the names so when the courts
>eventually sort it out, there will be less chaos. 
>
>
>In fact this is great stuff, as all the work that has been put into
>defining constituencies over the last two years has just been declared
>null and void with the stroke of a feather by the esteemend Ms Shaffer Van
>Houveling and Ms Dyson, in favour of a free for all!
>
>Boy, do I am sorry I can't be there :-)-O
>
>greetings, el
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: Esther Dyson <edyson@edventure.com>
>Reply-To: list@ifwp.org
>Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 04:45:41 -0400
>Subject: Re: [IFWP] Re: Credentials for attendance at the NCDNHC
>organizational  meeting    $
>To: list@ifwp.org
>
>It applies to all the constituencies, and concerns who may enter the room. 
>Then we hope the people in the room will self-organize and come up with
>reasonable criteria for their group. but each constituency =building
>effort must start with an open room. 
>
>Esther
>
>At 12:56 AM 21/05/99 -0400, Michael Sondow wrote:
>>Molly Shaffer Van Houweling a crit:
>>>
>>> PLEASE NOTE:
>>>
>>> ICANN has reserved the room referred to below for the use of anyone who is
>>> interested in discussing the formation of the Non-commercial Domain  Name
>>> Holders Constituency.  The room will be open to the public without
restriction.
>
>
>
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