Re: [IFWP] Re: Registrar Constituency meeting - Berlin

[cook@cookreport.com (Gordon Cook)]

or as I wrote Esther from Nepal last November:  you will crash and burn
Esther because you don't have a clue about the internet.   too bad.....  
she once had a decent reputation......




At  6:29 PM 5/21/99 -0700, Christopher Ambler wrote:

>
>Esther, you're just digging your own hole. Keep digging.
>
>Christopher
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Esther Dyson <edyson@edventure.com>
>To: list@ifwp.org <list@ifwp.org>
>Cc: Amadeu Abril i Abril <Amadeu@nominalia.com>; discuss@dnso.org
><discuss@dnso.org>; participants@dnso.org <participants@dnso.org>;
>list@ifwp.org <list@ifwp.org>
>Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 6:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [IFWP] Re: Registrar Constituency meeting - Berlin
>
>
>>The rooms are open.  Then either the constituencies self-organize, and the
>>Initial Board  recognizes them, or certain constituencies will be missing
>in
>>the initial DNSO. At that point, the constituencies can determine who
>>qulaifies as a member, but those criteria need to be justifiable in light
>of
>>the purpose/nature of the constituency.
>>
>>esther Dyson
>>
>>At 12:48 PM 21/05/99 +0200, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
>>>On Fri, 21 May 1999, Amadeu Abril i Abril wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> The Registrar (proto)Consituency will be meting next Tuesday 24 from
>>8:45am to
>>>> 12:00 (local Berln time) at the Adlon Hotel, Linden Rooom
>(Lindenzimmer).
>>>>
>>>> We will be discussing the Consituency charter and strategy, as wel as
>other
>>>> vusiness of tierest.
>>>>
>>>> Hope to see interested arites there.
>>>>
>>>> Amadeu
>>>>
>>>> PS: as yu know, current proposal defines inital consituency members as
>>>> ICANN-accredited registrars only. Ohter wouldbe members, and among them
>>>> ccTLD-only, non-ICANN-accredited registrars are welcome on an observer,
>>>> non-voting basis, at least for the moemnt being, even if thsi is one of
>the
>>>> issues that will be discussed there.
>>>
>>>I was going to write that this is a typical Amadeu, a most shameless
>>>attempt at capturing the constituency, but I shall leave it to Ms Dyson by
>>>way of a message forwarded to the IFWP list which makes it very clear that
>>>*ANYONE* can sit in *ANY* room *AND* vote on *ANYTHING*.
>>>
>>>In other words, if I can manage to get my grand aunt (quite hard of
>>>hearing and has no idea what the Internet is) to come there and raiser her
>>>hands against any proposal advanced by Amadeu, there is not a thing in the
>>>world he can do about it, other then voting in favour.
>>>
>>>
>>>I do not agree with this, personally, as commercial domain holders have
>>>noting to do in a non commercial domain constituency, and in particular do
>>>lobbyist fronts for commerce  such as ISOC and ETSI have NOTHING to do
>>>there, nor should Registries have any business in the Registrar
>>>constituency and so on. And Jeff the Man and Willie the Whiner should be
>>>sent out to the playground where they belong. If they turned up. If they
>>>existed.
>>>
>>>But who will make these decisions?
>>>
>>>So we really only have one choice, let everyone in everywhere, but only
>>>against credentials issued by the event organizers, which in turn must do
>>>that only against proof of identity.
>>>
>>>Then all votes must be recorded against the names so when the courts
>>>eventually sort it out, there will be less chaos.
>>>
>>>
>>>In fact this is great stuff, as all the work that has been put into
>>>defining constituencies over the last two years has just been declared
>>>null and void with the stroke of a feather by the esteemend Ms Shaffer Van
>>>Houveling and Ms Dyson, in favour of a free for all!
>>>
>>>Boy, do I am sorry I can't be there :-)-O
>>>
>>>greetings, el
>>>
>>>
>>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>From: Esther Dyson <edyson@edventure.com>
>>>Reply-To: list@ifwp.org
>>>Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 04:45:41 -0400
>>>Subject: Re: [IFWP] Re: Credentials for attendance at the NCDNHC
>>>organizational  meeting    $
>>>To: list@ifwp.org
>>>
>>>It applies to all the constituencies, and concerns who may enter the room.
>>>Then we hope the people in the room will self-organize and come up with
>>>reasonable criteria for their group. but each constituency =building
>>>effort must start with an open room.
>>>
>>>Esther
>>>
>>>At 12:56 AM 21/05/99 -0400, Michael Sondow wrote:
>>>>Molly Shaffer Van Houweling a crit:
>>>>>
>>>>> PLEASE NOTE:
>>>>>
>>>>> ICANN has reserved the room referred to below for the use of anyone who
>is
>>>>> interested in discussing the formation of the Non-commercial Domain
>Name
>>>>> Holders Constituency.  The room will be open to the public without
>>restriction.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse\         /                 Swakopmund State Hospital
>>><el@lisse.NA>         *        |                  Resident Medical Officer
>>>Private Bag 5004       \      / +264 81 1246733 (c) 64 461005(h) 461004(f)
>>>Swakopmund, Namibia     ;____/       Domain Coordinator for NA-DOM (el108)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes!
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