Re[2]: [wg-b] Famous Trademarks

[peter.weiss@chanelusa.com]

Pandora's Box indeed. We have successfully opposed ICHANELI, but, as Dennis never tires of pointing out, domain names are not trademarks and I would not extend the AUFM principle to sub-strings.


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Subject: RE: [wg-b] Famous Trademarks Author:  mpalage@infonetworks.com at INTERNET
Date:    9/24/99 5:20 PM


Thank you Peter for your succinct decisive viewpoint on the issues
confronting us. Could you please elaborate on what your viewpoint would be
with regard to protection of AUFM sub-strings. As several earlier posts have
highlighted, sub-string protection can open up a Pandora's Box of problems.


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From:peter.weiss@chanelusa.com [mailto:peter.weiss@chanelusa.com]
Sent:Friday, September 24, 1999 4:50 PM
To:wg-b@dnso.org; mpalage@infonetworks.com
Subject:Re: [wg-b] Famous Trademarks

As my first contribution to this stimulating debate, let me say that
defining what constitutes a famous trademark is neither the easiest nor the
most difficult task in the world. I believe with Fred Mostert that "a common
set of principles, in effect a ius gentium, has developed around famous and
well-known marks, which can serve as a basis for a harmonized global
approach in conformity
with the needs of contemporary commerce." Anyone wanting to know what that
common set of principles is needs only to do a quick run through the 700
pages of Fred's encyclopaedic work. (Mostert, Famous and Well-Known Marks,
Butterworths, 1997).

I am not particularly intrigued by the difference between famous and
well-known marks or, for that matter, marks of high repute, but I suggest
that, for our purposes, we might look at a fourth category, i.e. absolutely
unique famous marks (AUFMs). Here's a quick and totally non-exhaustive list:
COCA-COLA, PEPSI-COLA, MERCEDES BENZ, CHANEL, PERRIER-JOUET, KODAK, EXXON,
TEXACO, THENEWYORKTIMES. All of you will instantly have recognized what
these marks have
in common: The fact that no one could possible have a valid good faith claim
against any of them. Oh sure, somebody could legitimately claim COLA or
MERCEDES
(a woman's surname and a town in Uruguay) or PERRIER (a different product),
but not COCA-COLA, PEPSI-COLA, MERCEDES BENZ or PERRIER JOUET. So a WIPO
type exclusionary policy does not seem to me to be either unfair or
unworkable with respect to AUFMs. Individual Registrars, of course, should
not be saddled with the problem of deciding what is and what isn't an AUFM;
that could be done by a group of experts appointed by WIPO, who shouldn't
have to spend more than a day and half coming up with a preliminary list,
including one reception and two lunches.

This, of course, does not mean that other famous marks which lack the
quality of
absolute uniqueness should not be entitled to protection. We all know about
MCDONALDS, TIME, FORD, WARNER, MOBIL and other famous marks with multiple
meanings. Those, I would suggest, should benefit from UDR, notification and
whatever else we or the ultimate decision makers may come up with. In the
meantime, the lives of present and future Registrars could be made a little
easier by the adoption of an AUFM approach.

Do I have any thoughts on how to reach consensus? Not today, thank you.
That's a
really difficult problem. Peter Weiss









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Subject: [wg-b] Famous Trademarks Author:  mpalage@infonetworks.com at
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Date:    9/24/99 2:40 PM


I will be the first to admit that defining what constitutes a famous
trademark is not an easy task. But I do not believe that it is impossible.
I encourage people to look at Section 1205 of the Trademark Manual of
Examining Procedure -Refusal on Basis of Matter Protected by Statute or
Convention (available at http://www.uspto.gov). This sections contains a
list of marks that have been protected under US Federal Statutes and those
already the subject of international agreements in force, (e.g., "Red Cross"
and emblems protected by the Geneva Convention of August 12, 1949).

In addition, the Japanese government has recently enacted legislation
recognizing "famous marks." If you go to the Japanese web site they provide
a web enabled search engine to look through all 700+ famous trademarks. Yes
I was surprised that there were this many famous marks in Japan. And yes
there were several marks in the first few that I paged through that I did
not recognize. But then again I have only been to Japan once.

I just thought that this was some additional useful information to be
considered by all participants involved.

Has anyone been able to follow up with the Brazilian NIC concerning their
policy on protecting famous marks. I believe the information provided by
Judith on the 800 number was beneficial, and I would like to continue the
investigative process to make sure that we leave no stone unturned.

Thanks again,

Mike