Re: [wg-review] A Reply to Miles B. Whitener... Re: The owners of "the Internet" must manage it for their own benefit

[Sotiropoulos <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>]

1/14/01 12:13:00 AM, Kent Crispin <kent@songbird.com> wrote:

>Indeed, your ISP wants to do business with you, but you have no right to
>FORCE it to do business with you.  Moreover, if your ISP doesn't like
>what you put on your website (say you are a spammer), it can boot you
>off (*).  

You sing a silly song Kent.  It gets sillier all the time.  Are you telling us, that if laws *weren't* passed (by the USG) against spamming and other activities 
on the Web, that people like you (or just ISPs and Hosting in general) would refuse to take a customer's money because they were providing porn? or 
being party to spamming?  Wow!  Morality from a "capitalist"?  You're no capitalist Kent.  If you were, you'd agree that judging from the amount of that 
stuff that *still* goes on in cyberspace, I'd say there are plenty of people exercising the *free market* PROVIDED *right* to free speech.  You see Kent, I 
think it's time for a History lesson again.  Know Thyself Kent.

What's happened here with people who think like you Kent, is a perversion.  Free speech can only happen in the marketplace.  The Greeks have a word 
for marketplace: agora.  That's where Socrates taught Kent; in the marketplace.  They put him to death in the end, remember that Kent? 

A free market, for those "USAmericans" on this list who seem to have forgotten, is UNREGULATED by government *meddling*!  That's why it's FREE 
Kent (and to others of his ilk)!  But it appears some of our `friends' in the USA seem to want to delude others into `believing' otherwise...   WHY?

Therefore, it follows that you in fact have no "right" to free
>speech on the Net -- there is free speech on the net because there is a
>market for it, not because there is a right to free speech on the net. 

Kent, think of it more along these lines:  You (and others like you) have the *right* to go into business to *serve* the public.  In doing so, you are allowed 
to gather and keep your wealth and property.  This does not mean that you  have any *rights* OVER the public.  You're a merchant, so be one, and put 
aside the cassock!  People like you keep talking about *marketplaces*, repeating the word like a mantra, a creed... and all the while, from sheer reptition 
on your lips, you've become oblivious to its meaning!  you're drugged Kent! by your own greed for power, not just money. Remember the old adage:  The 
Customer always comes first?  Cause if you don't, get out of the marketplace and let it work itself out!

>Many people are confused about this.  They think they have a "right" to
>free speech on the net, but what they actually have (in the US, at
>least) is a right that keeps the GOVERNMENT from controlling their free
>speech.  They completely fail to realize that the implication of the
>internet being owned by private parties is that the real rights actually
>belong to those who own infrastructure.  Your right, as a consumer, is
>to try to find someone who will sell you the service you want.  If they
>don't want to sell it to you, you are out of luck. 

Kent, I honestly believe you are either self-delusional, or some kind of plant on this list.  If *anyone* is confused here Kent, it's you.  Does the term 
`lickspittle' mean anything to you Kent?

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
          Hermes Network, Inc.


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