Re: [wg-review] [DNDEF] short quizz

["Miles B. Whitener" <mbw@i-theta.com>]

Hello Jefsey,

  EEC can make any law it wishes, I suppose.  And the extent to which each member compromises its sovereignty is the member's business, too.  Talk to Great Britain about this topic.

  So if EEC says that registration in a CC TLD can't be geographically limited, that may have some effect if the CC TLD manager is subject to the laws of EEC.  Right now, CC TLDs are not very strongly tied to each country, unless it's recently changed.  No matter, it makes sense that each nation have its own domain (DNS ns record set).

  If a nation is granted control of a TLD by [ whoever owns the root zone !!! ] under T&C that give the nation control of subdomains under its TLD, the nation (unless entangled by putative EEC regulations) can decide to geographically limit registrations.  I can't see how it would be any business of the [ owner of the root DNS zone ] to tell a nation how to manage its domain (DNS ns record set).

 So if how I understand you is correct, Italy cannot limit registrations under IT ?  Ok, Italy can reevaluate its entanglement with EEC.

 M. Whitener

----- Original Message -----

From: Jefsey Morfin

To: wg-review@dnso.org

Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 6:31 PM

Subject: Re: [wg-review] [DNDEF] short quizz

Dear Miles,
Don't get upset. The Internet is in real world. 244 countries with rougly 220 laws.
The EEC laws strictly forbids any goegraphical commercila discrimination within the EEC territory.
What I mean is that the iCANN may speak about IK or Italy. The EEC law prevents that.

O 14:40 08/02/01, Miles B. Whitener said:

What law, please? 
Currently each CC TLD manager determines policy for that TLD.
They don't all have a COM or CO 2LD, for example.
They don't all take unrestricted registrations.
What law, please?

Another example: the iCANN does exist according to the Californian law. According to the French law it does not exist as there is no  Member in it. Big controversy about this. Now the Internet French law is talking about domain-names in such an absurd phrase that there may be a lot of justice decision you will not even be able to understand... but which will have to be enforced. Look at the weight of the French justice with the nazi/Yahoo! case...
 

----- Original Message -----

From: Jefsey Morfin

To: Miles B. Whitener

Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 7:37 PM

Subject: Re: [wg-review] [DNDEF] short quizz

False,

The law forbides that. Example: every European may register a ".it", not because it is a pseudo gTLD beut because commercially Europe is a single territory and the Italian NIC (no more than the other European NIC) may refuse an European request (Italy is just one which accepted the fact and published it recently).

On 21:21 07/02/01, Miles B. Whitener said:

DNS can very well operate by territory.

If the root zone owner delegates the UK TLD to the United Kingdom, then the controller of geographical territory is the controller of a domain!  Very simple

We are in real international life. Not in a theorethical American world. But again we do not speak of name, name of domain, but of "domain names", that mnemonic which is part of an URL, is being sold and purchased in auction, subject to a a special legal procedure which defines everything but the very thing it deals with....

Jefsey

To finish some fun: please rememebr the ARIN press release last August who said that you could use CNAMEs to complete the IP adressing scheme and limitate the number of IP addresses being used?

Look at the Nasdaq indirect reponse. We all known by June the Stock Exchange would go down in September. I explained it to all my friends. Definitly all this goes beyond names of domains by Jon Postel...

Only a commonly agreed DN definition may make it. What does belong to the DN?. what depends from the DN? Network economy stability starts there. Only the DNSO may tell it and commit as being in charge. You understand why the NC's seat protection concerns drive me crazy... IDNx problems are OUR problem. There are 15.000.000 of peole owning one or a few DNs. They do not know what it is, but today they are becoming the economic stability of the world. I think it is worth a few people start just saying what it is. I happen to think that these people are the DNSO. And if the WG-Review had only one comment to make is "the DNSO will never achieve anything as long as it does not say what it is about".

Jefsey