RE: [wg-review] Representative Figures

["Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" <mcade@att.com>]

Your explanation was very useful. The staff, and elected chairs to
association committees have to be responsible to teh members. I agree that a
"member" of an association may not be. but your description was very useful
and clarifying about where you and I are in agreement, or not.

Marilyn
-----Original Message-----
From: Dassa [mailto:dassa@dhs.org]
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 8:30 PM
To: WG-Review
Subject: RE: [wg-review] Representative Figures


|> -----Original Message-----
|> From: Cade,Marilyn S - LGA [mailto:mcade@att.com]
|> Sent: Sunday, 25 March 2001 10:53 AM
|> To: 'dassa@dhs.org'; WG-Review
|> Subject: RE: [wg-review] Representative Figures
|>
|>
|> Darryl,I think there is co-existence for your views, and mine on this
topic.
|>
|> IF I consult with members of an association, and the association takes a
|> position, the position it represents is that of it's members.
|>
|> Let me give you an example: I am the chair of a committee of an
|> international association. The association has several thousand members.
The
|> process of the committee requires
|>  1) publication of the agenda 2) taking comment on positions/statements
3)
|> development of white papers/draft statements on positions/with comment
from
|> all members possible 4) publication of a policy position/statements via a
|> white paper, letter, notice on the web site, etc.
|>
|> that is the typical association process, as I know it. Live with it. It
|> means that sometimes, I agree. Sometimes, by the way, I disagree as an
|> individual company member. But I live with the association speaking for
the
|> industry.
|>
|> If I disagree strongly enough, then I am free to speak, as an individual,
or
|> individual company.
|>
|> Why does that not work?
|>
|> Just curious and seeking to understand your concern here.

Marlyn

If the representatives in the constituencies have been nominated to that
position within defined organisational procedures as you outline above, then
they may be representative for the organisation.  They may or may not be
representative for the individual members of the organisation however.  The
individuals would need to have direct input for the representation to be
effective.  I am a member of a number of organisations, each has a
particular
focus.  As a member of an organisation I may support particular postures but
as
an individual I may hold opposing views.  The organisation is not
representative
of me as an individual, it only represents me on a very narrow defined
focus.

It is also a fact that the procedures for organisational participation is
not
defined for acceptance into most constituencies.  Nor is such participation
audited.

I can declare myself the representative for the 160,000 users DHS has and
then
join a constituency.  It would be very easy for me to meet all of the
criteria
for some of the constituencies.  Does that mean those 160,000 users actually
have representation.  No.

I feel that for the claim of representation to have any validity, there
needs to
be clearly defined procedure to be met as to how that representation is
gained
in the first place, and maintained in the second.

Otherwise, we could have the ccTLD operators claiming to be representative
of
all users in their particular countries, for an example.  Personally, I do
not
hold the .au operator as representative of my views.

Darryl (Dassa) Lynch.

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