RE: [council] Motion: Alternative Solutions to lower the expenses of DNSO

["Peter de Blanc" <pdeblanc@usvi.net>]

I am really surprised to hear that "International Chambers of Commerce" are
excluded. Does that also mean that the IEEE (Institute of Electrical and
Electronic Engineers), American Bar Association, and similar organizations
are excluded from membership?

peter de Blanc

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-council@dnso.org [mailto:owner-council@dnso.org]On Behalf Of
Erica Roberts
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 4:40 PM
To: Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales; nc-budget@dnso.org
Cc: council@dnso.org
Subject: Re: [council] Motion: Alternative Solutions to lower the
expenses of DNSO


I am becoming confuse4d about the membership of the Non-cvommercial
constituency.  It was my understanding that membership was open to any
not-for-profit organisation.  But Vanny said:
The NCDNHC excludes trades associations and excludes any
non-profit entity that engages in promote commercial activities (commerce
chambers, for example).
 I gather that this rule means that a NFP which either engages in (or
promotes)commercial activities in ineligible to join, but I am not clear
what is (and is not) defined as a 'commercial activity'.  If this means that
NFPs that raise funds thru the sale of goods or services are excluded, then
it would seem that  most chartitable organisations which are not fully
government funded - that is, most charitable organisations are excluded.
If this is indeed the case, then I would be a bit worried that membership of
the  consitutency is too narrow and needs to be broadened.
erica
--- Original Message -----
From: "Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales" <vany@sdnp.org.pa>
To: <nc-budget@dnso.org>
Cc: <council@dnso.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 4:26 AM
Subject: Re: [council] Motion: Alternative Solutions to lower the expenses
of DNSO


Hi Ken:

I think you are confusing things.  I am not asking to the NC to exempt the
NCDNHC to pay its debts.   What I am proposing is to engage in search
alternative ways for the future, begining next year, for lower costs of
operations of DNSO and search alternatives to achieve such purpose in order
that
the contribution by every constituency be as low as possible.

By the way:  The NCDNHC excludes trades associations and excludes any
non-profit entity that engages in promote commercial activities (commerce
chambers, for example).

Best Regards
Vany


El vie, 20 abr 2001, Digitel - Ken Stubbs escribió:
> i am sorry vany ....but i can not support this motion  or your position on
> this issue ..
>
>  the ncdnh constituancy has amongst it many large institutions who could
> qualify for membership. it is necessary for your group to "reach out" to
> these parties to support the constituancy just as people reach out for
> support for travel subsidies to attend ICANN meetings in the past.
>
> over the past 2 years i have seen minimal efforts on the part of the NCDNH
> to actively solicit members for contributions..
>
> the amount of $ requested in the past has been minimal and it would seem
to
> me that parties who have expressed a strong interest for advocacy for
> non-commercial interests have got to provide the funds to support this
> advocacy..
>
> i feel very strongly about this principle. the general assembly is being
> subsidized and that seems most fair to me . i do not see the necessity nor
> do i feel any desire to subsidize yours or any other  constituancy.
>
> 1. non commercial interests include..
>
> trade associations
> educational institutions
> advocacy groups
> charitable institutions etc....
>
> i am certain that many or these organizations would be happy to support
the
> constituancy if an organized campaign was initiated.
>
> thats my position and these are my feelings
>
> ken stubbs
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales" <vany@sdnp.org.pa>
> To: <nc-budget@dnso.org>
> Cc: <council@dnso.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 12:28 PM
> Subject: [council] Motion: Alternative Solutions to lower the expenses of
> DNSO
>
>
> > Dear fellows:
> >
> > There has been a motion to take away voting rights for those
> constituencies
> > that doesn't contribute with DNSO expenses.   It is unaceptable from any
> point
> > of view to take such action, since it seems like every year DNSO
expenses
> > increases and it is not true that every year every constituency will be
> able to
> > collect its part.
> >
> > Also it is not acceptable that participants of the DNSO has to pay if
they
> want
> > to assure representation and voting rights.  This is not the spirit of
> ICANN
> > By-Laws.  And, in my understanding, the ICANN By-Laws are the ones that
> grants
> > voting rights to the NC representatives, not the abilitiy to share any
> expenses
> > that DNSO incurr.
> >
> > Under this light, I have the following motion:
> >
> > "The Names Council will engange to find alternative solutions of
covering
> > expenses, in order to assure an open participation of all stakeholders
in
> the
> > ICANN policy making".
> >
> > Alternative Solutions to lower the expenses of DNSO
> >
> > 1.   Instead of sharing costs amongst the constituency, simply works in
a
> > donation basis.
> >
> > 2.  Draft projects to different donations entities.  The following is
the
> URL of
> > the Infodev and the DNSO fits very well in the Consensus Building
> Component
> > http://www.infodev.org/projects/apply.htm
> >
> > 3.  Search sponsors for services usually hired by DNSO
> >
> > 4.  There are services that not need to be hired foreign team (for
> example, the
> > webcasting is done by the Berkman Center which has high cost for
perfoming
> this
> > service simply because they have to travel from one country to another).
> So,
> > I think it would be interesting to do an experiment of asking for
> quotations
> > for the same service to a local team (and searching alternative
> technologies
> > less expensive)
> >
> > 5.  Sharing responsabilities amongst DNSO participants without having to
> > produce money for pay.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Vany
> >
> >
> >  --
> > Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales
> > IT Specialist
> > Sustainable Development Networking Programme/Panama
> > Tel: (507) 230-4011 exrt 213
> > Fax: (507) 230-3455
> > e-mail:  vany@sdnp.org.pa
> > http://www.sdnp.org.pa
--
Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales
IT Specialist
Sustainable Development Networking Programme/Panama
Tel: (507) 230-4011 exrt 213
Fax: (507) 230-3455
e-mail:  vany@sdnp.org.pa
http://www.sdnp.org.pa