[ga-full] Re: [Attention Harald, Esther Dyson, and Becky Burr] to:Re: [ga] disclaimer

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Joe and all,

  Your choice of course Joe.  I am at you convenience on this issue with
William and Harald should that be a decision you wish to change at a
later date.  However, my statement stands with regard to our organization
without modification or reconsideration.  I and James await Haralds
decision even though he is illegitimate in our opinion's.

!Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> >   You are right in that which pertains to William Walsh and his subsequent
> > actions and statements towards you.  I suggest he publicly recant forthwith.
> > I am personally insulted by his remarks towards a fellow stakeholder,
> > and find his behavior repulsive and as Mikki Berry put it last week,
> > repugnant.  I thereby request that one William Walsh be sanctioned
> > immediately or without delay.  I bear witness, and will also do so in
>
> Well let me take the time to make it clear - to one and all, that, the GA
> has had forced upone us a set of rules after we suffered a fradulent poll,
> both out chair and alternate were clearly advised the poll could be
> subjected to electoral fraud - and it was.  We were subjected to that -
> and these rules were imposed with out permission illegally.
>
> But irregardless of this - rules are rules and Harald must follow them.
>
> In your case - Jeff - you were sanctioned by hHarald for calling him a
> Horse Shitter.  You were removed from the list for this trivial name
> calling.
>
> Then when Walsh called Joop Teepstray names accompanied by sever
> allegations, his punishment was lenient.  But that error is Harald alone
> to deal with.
>
> Now Walsh has cause libel and slander against me.  I think it clear - and
> I leave it to the alternate chair to deal with.  As is his duty.
>
> > a court of law should Joe Baptista choose to service William X. Walsh,
> > if Joe or his legal representative deem it prudent and necessary.
>
> I won't do that.  Walsh is an irrelevant person.  And what he has to say
> most of the times is irrelevant.  I think people realize this.  He is a
> hatefull person and it comes across in his writing and I feel confident he
> is judged accordingly.  So I don't give him much purchase.
>
> However - It is my position that with imposed rules - and imposed chair
> and alternate chair on the GA - leave ICANN open to libel and slander if
> the rules are not universally applied with out bias.
>
> >   As stated above, I also find that William Walsh's actions to be in violation
> > of the rules regarding Name Calling,
> > see:http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc03/msg01500.html
>
> That's right.
>
> > Excerpt from William Walsh:
> > : "Someone drew my attention to a post by PCCF loon Joe Baptista
> > which implies that he and I agree on his criticism of the current decisions
> > and status in the GA list."
>
> exactly.
>
> >
> >   I will expect immediate action taken in response to this individual from
> > YOU Harald, or your rules are not equitable and are therefore
>
> I expect Harald will do his thing.
>
> Regards
> Joe baptista
>
> > invalid (Which we know already) and completely improper for this
> > type of forum.  I will be forwarding this to all INEGroup members
> > for their dispensation and detailed review.  Pending the our memberships
> > decision, additional sanctions that we deem appropriate and reasonable
> > shall be referred to YOU Harald, and any and all members of this
> > assembly for their consideration. All decisions from INEGRoup members
> > are final and are not subject to redress by this assembly or YOU Harald
> > until or unless previous correction that our members had me forward to
> > this forum are addressed and carried out in full and without delay.
> >
> >   This is all I have to say on this matter, any further comments, questions
> > or considerations regarding this matter may be sent to James Touton
> > at James.Touton@netzero.net for his consideration and dispensation.
> >
> >
> > !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
> >
> > > Harald - there is no need to respond.  The rules of this assembly - how
> > > ever illegally arrived at - are still the rules of this assembly.  The
> > > rules are lear in this matters and now it's up to you to rule.
> > >
> > > As for Mr. Walsh's arguments - they are dismissed - a concept in law as it
> > > applies to libel and slander is a matter before the law and it's courts -
> > > and not a consideration for you to rule on.  The rules are very clear in
> > > their intent and purpose and Mr. Walsh's argument hold no purchase nor
> > > defense.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Joe Baptista
> > >
> > > P.S.  Walsh has finally replied to one of my messages.  Interesting ;-)
> > >
> > > On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, William X. Walsh wrote:
> > >
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> > > >
> > > > On 16-Feb-2000 !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
> > > > > More abuse Harald - either the rules are for all - or their for the select
> > > > > club members here.  Calling someone a name, when that name calling is
> > > > > clearly slanderous and libelous is not in accordance with the rules.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course if the alternate chair feels otherwise - I would appreciate the
> > > > > reasons.  Mr. Walsh has now been warned once with the Jopp slander and I
> > > > > expect you Harald to act on this.
> > > >
> > > > Slander has two elements.   A false tale or report maliciously uttered.
> > > >
> > > > So first the comment must be false.  That element does not exist here.  The
> > > > subject's track record and own comments have already defined himself as
> > > > this term, and others have validated said definition.  (See a current
> > > > poll on inegroup.com for instance).  Secondly the comment must be said with
> > > > malicious intent.  Again, this element does not exist here.  What possible
> > > > malicious intent could exist against someone who is not even a blip on the
> > > > radar?
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps the complainant may wish to use a different term to justify his
> > > > "complaint."  The comment that is being complained about was in response to
> > > > a post for which the complaint of slander may apply, however.
> > > >
> > > > - --
> > > > William X. Walsh <william@dso.net>
> > > > DSo Networks  http://dso.net/
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> > Jeffrey A. Williams
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Regards,

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Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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