Re: [ga] Re: Travel to Stockholm

[Eric Dierker <eric@HI-TEK.COM>]

I leave the cc's on this post because I know they are extremely concerned over
this issue.  There is no hiding Mr. Corliss' and my anymosity toward each
other.  But we both want the GA to work and be effective.  Mr. Corliss made his
financial poverty known to all the GA prior to the finalization of the election
of him to alt-chair.  And now that same assembly has seen fit not to step up and
help fund his trip.  But the truth of the matter is that we do not need him in
Stockholm. The Alt-Chair handled Melbourne all by himself and did a wonderful
job. Certainly Mr. Younger, who has made it public since Melbourne that he would
attend Stockholm can handle the chair quite nicely, simply put there is no need
to have the alt-chair in Stockholm unless the Chair cannot attend and we have no
reason to believe that to be the case.

I think we are all a touch embarrassed that the alt-chair has seen fit to make
this so public when in fact he has absolutely no official function at a physical
meeting unless the Chair is incapacitated. Let us say something keeps Mr.
Younger from performing his role in Stockholm, he simply appoints a person to
chair in his absence no big deal and no need for the alt-chair.

If you think of the irony - this Assembly has been debating the terms "alt" and
"co" very extensively when it comes to roots.  Yet here if Mr. Corliss were a
real co-chair then his presence in Stockholm would be important but since he is
an alt-chair his presence is only needed if there is a failure of the chair.
Can we draw this same analogy for the roots and servers? I think not just as in
the GA both have their place and recognizing that place is all that is required
to keep things working.

Sincerely,

"Alternate Chair, GA" wrote:

> Dear Mr Lynn
>
> I speak here for myself alone.  My financial situation is very poor and I
> will be unable to attend any ICANN meetings without financial support.  The
> Chair and I have only just been appointed and have had no opportunity to
> establish any "self-funding".  The Salzburg Seminar has refused to help.
>
> Personally I am capable and competent.  My first degree, commenced in
> 1979, is a Bachelor of Applied Science in Computing Science.  I also have
> a Masters degree in Accounting.  I am, or have been, a member of five
> professional bodies including the Australian Computer Society.  For two
> years I lectured in IT at the University of Technology, Sydney.
>
> You should also be aware that I am a Director of the Australian Domain
> Administration ("auDA") and the Top Level Domain Association ("TLDA").
> I am very familiar with all of the issues and could contribute a great deal
> in achieving useful outcomes.
>
> However, it is apparent to me, at least, that there has been a concerted
> effort to undermine the efforts of the General Assembly both internally and
> externally.  Any proposal, such as that for the Individuals Constituency,
> which has grass-roots support, is sidelined or ignored.  My expertise could
> be useful to draw these issues together in a constructive way.
>
> I am therefore astonished that you should wonder what my expectations were
> when I agreed to take on the position of Alternate Chair.  It is my view
> that the physical meetings are an integral part of the consensus process
> and, as such, should be funded by the DNSO with support from ICANN.
>
> Of course, I understand your explanation and consider your letter as the
> official ICANN response.  However, I would have thought that you would,
> at least, pretend to welcome genuine grass-roots participation.  Anything
> less simply turns ICANN into a joke.  You have also said:
>
> > Occasionally we are successful in helping with travel grant applications,
> > but mostly to fund travel from countries where travel support is
> > impossible.  In any event, it is too late for Stockholm, but you may want
> > to look into the possibility for future meetings.
>
> With genuine determination it is possible to overcome significant obstacles.
> It is therefore not to late to go to Stockholm.  The rest of this statement
> of yours is quite empty of content.  Travel support is impossible regardless
> of which country I am from.  ICANN will either fund the travel or not.
>
> I am truly very disappointed.  Not personally but for the failure of ICANN
> to establish a proper structure and strategy.
>
> Yours sincerely
>
> Patrick Corliss
> Alternate Chair
> DNSO GA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: M. Stuart Lynn <lynn@icann.org>
> To: Danny Younger <webmaster@babybows.com>; Patrick Corliss
> <patrick@corliss.net>
> Cc: vint cerf <vcerf@MCI.NET>; <philip.sheppard@aim.be>
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 10:00 PM
> Subject: Travel to Stockholm
>
> > Danny and Patrick:
> >
> > I know you are faced with a difficult problem regarding funding your
> > travel to Stockholm.
> >
> > I do, however, want to underscore what Vint has essentially mentioned
> > to you. The ICANN SO's are intended to be self-funding. Their
> > expenses are not included within the ICANN budget. Under the ICANN
> > bylaws, as you know, the GA is advisory to the Names Council and it
> > is most appropriate, therefore, that you approach the Names Council
> > for travel support. I say this knowing that the Names Council is
> > grappling with its own problems on how to fund the DNSO Secretariat.
> >
> > I think you can appreciate that if I were to approve your request
> > (which is not within my power to do so under the budgetary authority
> > granted me by the Board), I could easily open up ICANN to many, many
> > "worthy" requests from across all SO's.
> >
> > I also wonder what were your expectations when you agreed to take on
> > these positions? Did you consider how you would fund the travel
> > expenses that would so obviously be part of the undertaking? I know
> > that had you asked me in advance, I would have given you the same
> > response as above.
> >
> > Having said all that, I do hope you can find some way to fund your
> > travel to Stockholm and other future ICANN meetings. Occasionally we
> > are successful in helping with travel grant applications, but mostly
> > to fund travel from countries where travel support is impossible. In
> > any event, it is too late for Stockholm, but you may want to look
> > into the possibility for future meetings.
> >
> > With regards
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > --
> >
> > __________________
> > Stuart Lynn
> > President and CEO
> > ICANN
> > 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330
> > Marina del Rey, CA 90292
> > Tel: 310-823-9358
> > Fax: 310-823-8649
> > Email: lynn@icann.org
>
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