Re: petty and ridiculous - Re: [ga] [Admin] Suspension of Dierker, Fleming, Walsh, Williams

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Derek and all assembly members,

  I agree.  The GA also suffers from a number of personalities that
hold vendettas against other participants.  The Alt-Chair is one
such example.

Derek Conant wrote:

> In my opinion, the GA suffers from its lack of direction and its inability to
> focus on significant subject matter.  This is in part due to the primary
> participants refusal to properly organize coupled with certain of their
> immaterial email postings and distractions.
>
> The paradox is that the current problems within the GA cannot be cured by
> suspending the primary participants.  The primary participants need to get
> their acts together and properly organize.  I have explained this in previous
> posts and suggested fundamentals toward a cure.  The alternative is that we
> all sit here and wait until more people get involved that can understand this
> and vote this 'mess' out.  There are not enough participants in the GA to
> demand suspension of the primary participants.  The suspensions are
> effectively silencing and killing the GA.
>
> The GA appears most productive at being a comedy show.  Show me where those
> who have been suspended were harming or inhibiting any GA agenda.  I suggest
> removing the suspensions immediately and let the show go on.
>
> Derek Conant
> DNSGA President and Chairman
>
> "William S. Lovell" wrote:
>
> > Mr. Conant characterizes his own email by his subject line. A very,
> > VERY long history of ICANN in general and the GA in particular
> > -- a history in which one one may leave one hand in one's pocket
> > to count all the things that the GA has accomplished -- has shown
> > irrefutably that what has prevented the GA from doing anything has
> > been its anarchic, chaotic manner of operation.  Throwing stones
> > (or little pebbles in this case) at one of a very few mechanisms for
> > putting an end to that chaos merely adds to it. The monitors are
> > to be commended for their action, in face of the almost inevitable
> > event that such action would bring out all the pebble throwers.
> >
> > As should be those who were suspended.  So far, I've seen these
> > suspensions accepted with refreshing good grace --  more grace,
> > I might add, than is shown by Mr. Conant with his flights of highly
> > insulting fancy.  (Mr. Walsh objects to the rather late imposition,
> > and he may very well have a valid point, although I suspect that
> > the answer might be that the monitors have "day jobs" too.)
> >
> > Bill Lovell
> >
> > Derek Conant wrote:
> >
> > > GA No Tolerance Policy - petty and ridiculous.
> > >
> > > Dierker, Fleming, Walsh, Williams, cool it now, the way the GA list
> > > monitors are running things here you'll probably get jail-time the next
> > > time they decide to punish you.  Who decides the punishment in this case
> > > and what are the statue of limitations for alleged violations anyway?
> > > This is laughable.  It looks like you better be careful with what you
> > > say next time.  I don't believe the allegations warranted suspension.
> > >
> > > Derek Conant
> > > DNSGA President and Chairman
> > >
> > > Kristy McKee wrote:
> > >
> > > > The list monitors note that there have been four
> > > > suspensions, effective immediately.
> > > >
> > > >   Jeff Williams, jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> > > >   eight weeks suspension
> > > >
> > > >   Eric Dierker, eric@hi-tek.com
> > > >   four weeks suspension
> > > >
> > > >   William X. Walsh, william@userfriendly.com
> > > >   four weeks suspension
> > > >
> > > >   Jim Fleming, JimFleming@prodigy.net
> > > >   two weeks suspension
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > /// Alexander (for the list monitors)
> > > >
> > > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > > The list monitors find that Jeff Williams has broken
> > > > the posting limit by sending eight and six mails to the
> > > > GA within two consecutive 24 hour periods:
> > > >
> > > > Thu, 05 Jul 2001 00:56:05
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03374.html
> > > > Thu, 05 Jul 2001 01:34:27
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03375.html
> > > > Thu, 05 Jul 2001 05:16:11
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03379.html
> > > > Thu, 05 Jul 2001 19:11:00
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03430.html
> > > > Thu, 05 Jul 2001 23:21:18
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03436.html
> > > > Thu, 05 Jul 2001 23:24:14
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03437.html
> > > > Thu, 05 Jul 2001 23:39:58
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03438.html
> > > > Thu, 05 Jul 2001 23:53:37
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03440.html
> > > > Fri, 06 Jul 2001 00:18:41 -0700
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03441.html
> > > > Fri, 06 Jul 2001 01:07:08 -0700
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03444.html
> > > > Fri, 06 Jul 2001 01:15:23 -0700
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03445.html
> > > > Fri, 06 Jul 2001 05:14:01 -0700
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03449.html
> > > > Fri, 06 Jul 2001 16:07:30 -0700
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03459.html
> > > > Fri, 06 Jul 2001 21:33:33 -0700
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03466.html
> > > >
> > > > The list monitors note that Jeff Williams has already
> > > > been barred five times.
> > > >
> > > > The list monitors have decided to suspend the posting
> > > > rights of Jeff Williams for eight weeks. This decision
> > > > can be appealed to the GA Chair.
> > > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > > The list monitors find that Eric Dierker has broken
> > > > the posting limit, despite warnings and his promise
> > > > "I will not over post" (referenced in a mail at
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg02922.html).
> > > >
> > > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 8:48:12
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg02979.html
> > > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 18:40:34
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03004.html
> > > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 19:04:55
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03005.html
> > > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 20:43:52
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03009.html
> > > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:00:43
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03011.html
> > > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 22:09:38
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03013.html
> > > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 23:07:15
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03015.html
> > > >
> > > > The list monitors note that Eric Dierker has been
> > > > previously warned and suspended; the suspension has
> > > > been overturned.
> > > >
> > > > The list monitors have decided to suspend the posting
> > > > rights of Eric Dierker for four weeks. This decision
> > > > can be appealed to the GA Chair.
> > > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > > The list monitors find that William X. Walsh has made
> > > > personal attacks against members of the General Assembly.
> > > > (http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-icann/Arc00/msg00111.html;
> > > > "If you can't see that, then your prejudice and arrogance
> > > > is blinding you, as usual.") The list monitors note that
> > > > there have also been attacks regarding the history of the
> > > > IDNO (http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03116.html,
> > > > "Including your own little temper tantrum when you pulled the
> > > > IDNO website and had the mailing list turned off because
> > > > people were asking you to step down (which when you were made
> > > > aware of how those actions were proving your critics right,
> > > > you claimed were an "error" and had them turned back on).").
> > > > Even though discussion of an Individual Domain Name Holders
> > > > Organization or Constituency is on-topic, postings threatening
> > > > other members of the General Assembly (the posting starts
> > > > with the lines "I might suggest that you watch your moves.")
> > > > and repeating unsubstantiated allegations are against the
> > > > list rules which call for "a minimum of decorum".
> > > >
> > > > The list monitors also find that William X. Walsh has broken
> > > > the posting limit, even though he is well aware of it and even
> > > > the way it is calculated (as can be seen from
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg02813.html).
> > > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 00:33:32
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg02971.html
> > > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 10:10:12
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg02983.html
> > > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 10:55:52
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg02988.html
> > > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 12:20:49
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg02990.html
> > > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 16:36:23
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg02995.html
> > > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 18:16:39
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03001.html
> > > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 18:18:54
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03002.html
> > > >
> > > > The list monitors note that William X. Walsh has been
> > > > previously warned and suspended twice; one of the
> > > > suspensions has been overturned.
> > > >
> > > > The list monitors have decided to suspend the posting
> > > > rights of William X. Walsh for four weeks. This decision
> > > > can be appealed to the GA Chair.
> > > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > > The list monitors find that Jim Fleming has violated
> > > > the list rules by sending messages without any relevance
> > > > to the business of the GA to the list.
> > > > Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:46:18
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03321.html
> > > >
> > > > The list monitors note that Jim Fleming has just recently
> > > > received a warning for breaking the list rules (posting
> > > > limit violation).
> > > >
> > > > The list monitors have decided to suspend the posting
> > > > rights of Jim Fleming for two weeks. This decision
> > > > can be appealed to the GA Chair.
> > > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > ~k
> > > >
> > > > Kristy McKee (for the List Monitors)
> > > >   Kristy McKee 612.823.2418
> > > >   .W I D G I T A L.Espware.
> > > >
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