Re: [ga] Songbird in the BC?

[PacificRoot Hostmaster <idno@tallship.net>]

That's a rhetorical question isn't it? Because we all know that the answer
is, "All of them, as long as you're on ICANN's payroll as a confidence
man." 

On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, James Love wrote:

> How many constituencies can you belong to?  I thought it was just one.
> Jamie
> 
> 
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Eric Dierker wrote:
> 
> > The following is one of the finest examples of elitist crap one can find.  I can
> > just see this - Old chap smoking a fancy pipe while directing his boy to clean
> > his eight iron,  "but of course anyone can join the club old boyo,  Oh and by
> > the way here is a statement regards ISPs my barrister drew up for your ignorant
> > understanding"
> > 
> > Get a grip Crispin your elitist days are numbered.  Tell us about the Yacht Club
> > deal.  Tell us about your consultancy with ICANN - how about a financial
> > disclosure?
> > 
> > Better yet disclose your relationship with the executive committee of our BoD.
> > Is there a stipend that the GA could use associated with such services.  While
> > Roberts tells us that ICANN cannot support a GA or an AL tell us how much they
> > afford on your services.  And you are a member of two Constituencies?
> > 
> > Come clean or drop your comments Mr. lonely bird.  I used to think that what you
> > do is your business but now I see that you take money that could allow
> > individual users a voice on the Internet.  I hope you sleep well.
> > 
> > Quite Sincerely,
> > Eric
> > 
> > Kent Crispin wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 09:34:38PM -0400, DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:
> > > > Jefsey, you indicated that Songbird recently became a member of the
> > > > business constituency.  The Songbird website
> > > > http://songbird.com/songbird/index.html seems to indicate that the
> > > > company is primarily an ISP.
> > >
> > > ISP's, by the definition used in the ISP and BC constituency,
> > > fundamentally provide internet connectivity to end users.  Songbird does
> > > not provide internet connectivity to anyone.  Instead, Songbird's
> > > services are limited to website hosting, design, development, and
> > > consulting.  Entities that provide these services are sometimes loosely
> > > referred to as ISPs, because the term "ISP" is used differently by
> > > different people.  But as it is used in ICANN, Songbird is not an ISP.
> > > (There is another term common in the business, "Internet Presence
> > > Provider").
> > >
> > > > How then can it be a full member of the BC
> > > > instead of merely an admitted observer?
> > >
> > > You could have figured this out yourself, but of course that would not
> > > serve your purpose.
> > >
> > > > BC Charter:  "Legally recognized for-profit business enterprises that have
> > > > been in business for less than one year and companies whose predominant
> > > > business is to be a registry, a registrar or an ISP cannot have full
> > > > membership status, but may become observers."
> > > >
> > > > I seems that Kent has developed the knack of being in a number of
> > > > constituencies simultaneously while the rest of us remain unrepresented.
> > > > Interesting.
> > >
> > > Yes, it is interesting.  It proves that the claims that you and others
> > > make about being unrepresented are simply bogus noise.  Anyone who
> > > seriously wants to participate can do so.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kent Crispin                               "Be good, and you will be
> > > kent@songbird.com                           lonesome." -- Mark Twain
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