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[ga] [Fwd: [ncdnhc-discuss] Re: More on SVPA]
Jeff Williams forwarded this to me,
I certainly am not on anything close to the lists referred to.
So I assume he sent it to me to illustrate just how correct I am about
ego driven highly trained technical folks running the lower workings of
ICANN for their own self aggrandizement.
God forbid you have dotcommoners folks running the show, people who just
want to see dotBIZ resolve properly, people who just want a more
equitable balance in the UDRP.
No far better we have people fighting about who got dibs for the best
chair in the clubhouse.
Eric
Dave and all,
Dave Crocker wrote:
> At 10:59 AM 11/7/2001 -0500, Milton Mueller wrote:
> > >>> "Alejandro Pisanty - CUAED y FQ, UNAM" <apisan@servidor.unam.mx>
> > 11/06/01 12:55AM >>>
> >Can we face the fact that you tried to kick out Dave and couldn't
> >this time, and go on with our other subjects? Like, would the
> >
> >Alejandro:
> >Wrong. "Discuss" is an open list.
>
> Alejandro did not mention or imply the Discuss list. He said you tried to
> kick me out. That is what you tried. Nothing very complicated about this,
> either:
ANd Milton was right to do so as well. You Dave, have a clear conflict
of interest with being both a NCC member and in a position of some
minor importance with Nuestar and SVPAL, a commercial
organization/company.
>
>
> 1. Your note was sent to SVPAL management. That it was COPIED the discuss
> list is nice but irrelevant.
Again I disagree here as well. It should have been copied to this forum
for purposes of notification. Milton did that properly.
>
>
> 2. Your note asserted that SVPAL needed to replace me; it asked no
> questions and invited no discussion. So there was nothing about that note
> that matches what you are now claiming.
It does need to replace you or you need to leave the NCC.
>
>
> 3. You used "we" twice, very clearly implying that your note represented a
> group action, though it turns out that you were not. That was a
> straightforward misrepresentation.
Perhaps you are correct here..
>
>
> 4. My relationship with Neustar was neither new nor unknown, so there was
> no legitimate basis for your issuing your personal challenge at that
> time. No reason, that is, other than as a response to my own call for YOUR
> replacement.
Yes there was Dave. It is clear again that you have a clear conflict of
interest.
You know it, Milton knows it, and I suspect most NCC members know it.
>
>
> 5. It is interesting that you are carefully avoiding response to any of
> these details, though they have been offered more than once.
>
> >No one gets kicked
> >off, so Crocker's status as a representative of
> >SVPA is immaterial to his participation.
>
> As noted, that was not Alejandro's point. Please respond to the real point
> he was correctly making which is that you personally sought to have me
> replaced.
As he should have.
>
>
> >This is not about Crocker. I could care less about
> >him; as I have noted repeatedly I filter his messages
> >after years of experience with his abusive methods
> >and unconstructive dialogue.
>
> For someone who cares so little about me, your efforts to denigrate me are
> wonderfully consistent.
Pot, kettle black.
>
>
> It is clear, of course, that this was a personal vendetta by you and
> nothing else.
I don't see it that way at all. However I can see how you might.
> It is a shame that you lack the integrity to admit it and
> apologize for abusing your formal position within the constituency.
No abuse was effected. Milton acted quite properly.
>
>
> >I am, however, concerned about the broader
> >issue of people who have agendas that are unrelated
> >to their participation in some nonprofit organization,
> >and join NCDNHC under subterfuges.
>
> If you were concerned about such things, you would have raised them as
> questions to the constituency. That is not what you did at all. There is
> nothing in your posting to SVPAL that asked or pursued questions or
> discussion. Feel free to offer proof otherwise.
No discussion was or seems necessary.
>
>
> Had you been interested in discussing an issue, you also would not have
> taken peremptory action with SVPAL management and misrepresented the
> situation as if it were a formal decision by NCC management.
>
> >We do have settled policy on how to handle this
> >problem when the representative is the same person as
> >the rep for another constituency.
>
> However, of course, that has nothing to do with me or your vendetta attack
> on me.
>
> >We do not have settled policy on Crocker-like cases.
>
> Whatever that means, it sure sounds serious. Whatever that means.
It may be. It also should be IMHO.
>
>
> d/
>
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