Re: [ga] Registrar Constituency WLS Response to Verisign - A DNSO GA Ballot please...

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Abel and all assembly members,

Abel Wisman wrote:

> It must be getting late in your side of the world, otherwise you would
> no doubt make more sense, nonetheless:

  It is only 8:19pm as I type this.  So not it is not late.  Yes
I was confused as to your question in your previous post
addressing my original call for a vote in response to George's.
Hence the change I made in the subject line... >;)

>
>
> WLS : GA POV is related and posted, no objections, loads of support,
> including yours, see www.it-ken.net nd i do miss your group's comments
> not the Verisign page, not that such means much, the registrars
> Constituency is not added either, but still.

  Yes we [INEGroup] supported you report and proper questions that
Verisign declined to answer at all or with some questions that were
posed, did not answer directly (Read made political statements to in
response)...

>
>
> .Org : THAT is the one we were talking about, you said we needed to
> something about that, (WLS being over and done with for now) and i said
> that i agreed, seeing as Don and I did most of the work on the WLS, I
> thought it would honour you to do the draft on the org divestiture.

  Yes I suggested, and you "Wholeheartedly" agreed, that we need to
have a ballot for the GA members to the Org TF's findings in their
report so that a GA "Official" position can be documented and
known clearly.

  We [INEGRoup] indeed did post to the available Mailing list
for the ORG TF with detail as to how, what, when, where,
and whom and what should or could be be done for the
handling of the .ORG divestiture.  If those archives
are still available you can find it there.  I posted it for our
members.  It was in those archives.

>
>
> I will gladly post it along side the WLS reaction
>
> abel
>
> On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 02:20, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > Abel and all assembly members,
> >
> > Abel Wisman wrote:
> >
> > > I agree wholeheartedly Jeff, so i assume you are writing a proposal for
> > > the GA to comment upon ?
> >
> >   Our position's form our members have been posted to the
> > related E-Mail addresses for the WLS and .ORG divestiture.
> > So I guess first I must ask you here openly Abel, which
> > one are you referring to, the .ORG divestiture or the WLS
> > proposal?  Second question I must ask to understand
> > the meaning of your question is, which proposal for
> > WLS are you referring to, yours, or Verisigns?
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > abel
> > >
> > > On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 02:03, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > > > Geroge and all assembly members,
> > > >
> > > > George Kirikos wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > > > > >   It would seem to me that the DNSO GA should also have held
> > > > > > a vote on the WLS and the .ORG delegation statement.  I had requested
> > > > > > these two things before, and received not reply from either Thomas,
> > > > > > or Alexander.  I think Alex had mentioned that the DNSO GA
> > > > > > would be submitting a ballot on the WLS issue.  Alex?   If not,
> > > > > > than again I would like to request again such a ballot be
> > > > > > initiated.
> > > > >
> > > > > There were already multiple opportunities for folks to show their
> > > > > approval or disapproval of WLS (I don't follow the .org issue much).
> > > > > Each time, overwhelmingly the GA was against it. I'm not sure what
> > > > > another vote would prove.
> > > >
> > > >   Well George it would PROVE that first the DNSO GA members
> > > > can show their interest and position in a official way to the WLS and
> > > > .ORG divestiture proposal.  Second, without an official vote on these
> > > > matters, the ICANN BoD can claim that the DNSO GA is a nearly
> > > > useless part of the DNSO which they are already trying to do now,
> > > > and anyone can latter claim that the DNSO GA members had no
> > > > official position on the WLS or the .ORG divestiture issues...
> > > >
> > > > > It might be a step in the reverse direction,
> > > > > too, in that a "200-20" vote is just numerical, whereas having folks
> > > > > provide their name along with their position, as has happened in the
> > > > > mailing list, is more forceful. Anonymous voting in the age of the
> > > > > internet would be very difficult (one side could easily sign up a few
> > > > > hundred or thousand "supporters" to manipulate a vote where the voters
> > > > > are anonymous). The way the RC did it, with registrars voting in
> > > > > public, is best, as it's less open to manipulation (similar to how
> > > > > voice votes were held in ancient Greece).
> > > > >
> > > > > WLS was mentioned on Slashdot, too, where it was derided.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/01/14/0649205&mode=thread
> > > > >
> > > > > It's unclear that Verisign respects democratic institutions, in any
> > > > > event. At some point (maybe we're well past that already), we might
> > > > > need a "Magna Carta" to limit the power of this monarchy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > >
> > > > > George Kirikos
> > > > > http://www.kirikos.com/
> > > > >
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> > > > Regards,
> > > > --
> > > > Jeffrey A. Williams
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Regards,
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Jeffrey A. Williams
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