Re: [ga] Verisign removing expiration dates from WHOIS Data?

[Eric Dierker <eric@hi-tek.com>]

The rules are simple;

Don't do it.  Unless someone changes the rules they should not do it.
There is nothing for a Rep to discuss.

Right now there is absolutely no business reason for Verisign to honor contracts with ICANN.
What the hell are they going to do about a breach of contract?  They certainly are in no position to enforce a contract through the courts.  If Verisign stopped paying them today, there is not a thing ICANN could do about it except whine.  As a matter of fact Verisign may well find liability in giving ICANN any money.

I do not even think there are grounds for the DoC to enforce the third party beneficiary contract with Verisign because they have not enforced their own contracts dealing with ICANN.  Repeatedly not doing the right thing leads to a course of conduct and business dealing scenario that is a quagmire.

By Lynn's statements and by ICANN's lack of conduct they are virtually dead meat.  Vint has only added to that problem this weekend with weak and poorly worded public comments, I can almost feel sorry for Louis.

Sincerely,
Eric

Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:

The original message was sent on the 15th.

Joanna Lane wrote:
>
> Maybe because Verisign doesn't pay it's ICANN reps to work at 11.30pm on a
> Sunday night?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of Sotiris
> Sotiropoulos
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:56 AM
> To: genie@magi.net
> Cc: ga@dnso.org
> Subject: Re: [ga] Verisign removing expiration dates from WHOIS Data?
>
> Why hasn't the Verisign rep in the DNSO responded to this
> thread as yet?
>
> Genie Livingstone wrote:
> >
> > Isn't  publishing domain expiration date =  direct violation of ICANN
> > Registrar Accreditation Agreement??  ((But since when did Verisign care
> > about some ICANN rules))
> >
> > (see Paragraph F-1-f )
> >
> > http://www.icann.org/nsi/icann-raa-04nov99.htm#IIF1a
> >
> > F. Public Access to Data on SLD Registrations. During the term of this
> > Agreement:
> >
> > 1. At its expense, Registrar shall provide an interactive web page and a
> > port 43 Whois service providing free public query-based access to
> > up-to-date (i.e. updated at least daily) data concerning all active SLD
> > registrations sponsored by Registrar in the registry for the .com, .net,
> > and .org TLDs. The data accessible shall consist of elements that are
> > designated from time to time according to an ICANN-adopted policy. Until
> > ICANN otherwise specifies by means of an ICANN-adopted policy, this data
> > shall consist of the following elements as contained in Registrar's
> > database:
> >
> > a. The name of the SLD being registered and the TLD for which
> > registration is being requested;
> >
> > b. The IP addresses of the primary nameserver and secondary
> > nameserver(s) for the SLD;
> >
> > c. The corresponding names of those nameservers;
> >
> > d. The identity of Registrar (which may be provided through Registrar's
> > website);
> >
> > e. The original creation date of the registration;
> >
> > f. The expiration date of the registration;
> >
> > g. The name and postal address of the SLD holder;
> >
> > h. The name, postal address, e-mail address, voice telephone number, and
> > (where available) fax number of the technical contact for the SLD; and
> >
> > i. The name, postal address, e-mail address, voice telephone number, and
> > (where available) fax number of the administrative contact for the SLD.
> >
> > Genie Livingstone
> > eyeondomain.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Don Brown" <donbrown_l@inetconcepts.net>
> > To: "George Kirikos" <gkirikos@yahoo.com>
> > Cc: <ga@dnso.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 5:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ga] Verisign removing expiration dates from WHOIS Data?
> >
> > > Moreover, if WLS becomes reality, it is a serious ICANN issue, since
> > > there is no bottoms-up consensus to support it.
> > >
> > > There are those in favor, of course, but how many of them are
> > > potential benefactors of new, found income from it? I'd guess that to
> > > be the majority.
> > >
> > > It is interesting that VeriSign presents WLS as a way for it to help
> > > grow business for the Registrars (per the press release/quote below),
> > > but the Registrars who represent the majority of registrations have
> > > taken a position in opposition to WLS. Could it be that those
> > > Registrar's have noses that know the difference between chicken salad
> > > and chicken S*&%? I'd guess it is so, as well.
> > >
> > > If WLS becomes reality, the expiration date is really a minor
> > > consideration in the total scope of things.  There will be much bigger
> > > fish to fry.
> > >
> > >
> > > A quote from NewsBytes - http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/173564.html
> > >
> > >   But VeriSign spokeswoman Cheryl Regan contends that the demand for
> > >   "recycled" domains is high enough that the service could provide a
> > >   real boon to registrars.
> > >
> > >   "We're doing this as a way to help grow new business for
> > >   registrars," Regan said.
> > >
> > > roflmao :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > Saturday, March 16, 2002, 5:11:52 PM, George Kirikos
> > <gkirikos@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > GK> Hello,
> > >
> > > GK> Take a look at the WHOIS for the domain name "auction-barn.com"
> > >
> > > GK>
> > http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=auction-barn.com&Search
> > Type=do
> > >
> > > GK> In particular:
> > >
> > > GK>    Record last updated on 15-Mar-2002.
> > > GK>    Record created on 26-Jan-2000.
> > > GK>    Database last updated on 16-Mar-2002 04:35:00 EST.
> > >
> > > GK> The "Record Expires" date is missing.
> > >
> > > GK> If VGRS goes ahead with WLS, this is a potentially serious issue,
> > as
> > > GK> consumers might be misled into purchasing WLS slots on names that
> > > GK> expire years in the future, as they'd have no way of knowing when
> > the
> > > GK> name truly expires (let alone when it is released, even if it
> > should be
> > > GK> past expiry). Existing customers and domain owners would also not
> > be
> > > GK> able to check for sure when a name is due to expire, if they can't
> > > GK> check the WHOIS on their own names.
> > >
> > > GK> Furthermore, aren't registrars required to show certain data
> > elements
> > > GK> in their WHOIS, as part of their accreditation contracts??
> > >
> > > GK> Sincerely,
> > >
> > > GK> George Kirikos
> > > GK> http://www.kirikos.com/
> > >
> > >
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