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Re: [ga] Verisign removing expiration dates from WHOIS Data?
Eric and all assembly members,
Boy you sure got it all right here Eric! Very Well Done!
Eric Dierker wrote:
> The rules are simple;
>
> Don't do it. Unless someone changes the rules they should not do it.
> There is nothing for a Rep to discuss.
>
> Right now there is absolutely no business reason for Verisign to honor
> contracts
> with ICANN.
> What the hell are they going to do about a breach of contract? They
> certainly
> are in no position to enforce a contract through the courts. If
> Verisign
> stopped paying them today, there is not a thing ICANN could do about
> it except
> whine. As a matter of fact Verisign may well find liability in giving
> ICANN any
> money.
>
> I do not even think there are grounds for the DoC to enforce the third
> party
> beneficiary contract with Verisign because they have not enforced
> their own
> contracts dealing with ICANN. Repeatedly not doing the right thing
> leads to a
> course of conduct and business dealing scenario that is a quagmire.
>
> By Lynn's statements and by ICANN's lack of conduct they are virtually
> dead
> meat. Vint has only added to that problem this weekend with weak and
> poorly
> worded public comments, I can almost feel sorry for Louis.
>
> Sincerely,
> Eric
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
>
> > The original message was sent on the 15th.
> >
> > Joanna Lane wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe because Verisign doesn't pay it's ICANN reps to work at
> 11.30pm on a
> > > Sunday night?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of
> Sotiris
> > > Sotiropoulos
> > > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:56 AM
> > > To: genie@magi.net
> > > Cc: ga@dnso.org
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] Verisign removing expiration dates from WHOIS
> Data?
> > >
> > > Why hasn't the Verisign rep in the DNSO responded to this
> > > thread as yet?
> > >
> > > Genie Livingstone wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Isn't publishing domain expiration date = direct violation of
> ICANN
> > > > Registrar Accreditation Agreement?? ((But since when did
> Verisign care
> > > > about some ICANN rules))
> > > >
> > > > (see Paragraph F-1-f )
> > > >
> > > > http://www.icann.org/nsi/icann-raa-04nov99.htm#IIF1a
> > > >
> > > > F. Public Access to Data on SLD Registrations. During the term
> of this
> > > > Agreement:
> > > >
> > > > 1. At its expense, Registrar shall provide an interactive web
> page and a
> > > > port 43 Whois service providing free public query-based access
> to
> > > > up-to-date (i.e. updated at least daily) data concerning all
> active SLD
> > > > registrations sponsored by Registrar in the registry for the
> .com, .net,
> > > > and .org TLDs. The data accessible shall consist of elements
> that are
> > > > designated from time to time according to an ICANN-adopted
> policy. Until
> > > > ICANN otherwise specifies by means of an ICANN-adopted policy,
> this data
> > > > shall consist of the following elements as contained in
> Registrar's
> > > > database:
> > > >
> > > > a. The name of the SLD being registered and the TLD for which
> > > > registration is being requested;
> > > >
> > > > b. The IP addresses of the primary nameserver and secondary
> > > > nameserver(s) for the SLD;
> > > >
> > > > c. The corresponding names of those nameservers;
> > > >
> > > > d. The identity of Registrar (which may be provided through
> Registrar's
> > > > website);
> > > >
> > > > e. The original creation date of the registration;
> > > >
> > > > f. The expiration date of the registration;
> > > >
> > > > g. The name and postal address of the SLD holder;
> > > >
> > > > h. The name, postal address, e-mail address, voice telephone
> number, and
> > > > (where available) fax number of the technical contact for the
> SLD; and
> > > >
> > > > i. The name, postal address, e-mail address, voice telephone
> number, and
> > > > (where available) fax number of the administrative contact for
> the SLD.
> > > >
> > > > Genie Livingstone
> > > > eyeondomain.com
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Don Brown" <donbrown_l@inetconcepts.net>
> > > > To: "George Kirikos" <gkirikos@yahoo.com>
> > > > Cc: <ga@dnso.org>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 5:18 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ga] Verisign removing expiration dates from WHOIS
> Data?
> > > >
> > > > > Moreover, if WLS becomes reality, it is a serious ICANN issue,
> since
> > > > > there is no bottoms-up consensus to support it.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are those in favor, of course, but how many of them are
> > > > > potential benefactors of new, found income from it? I'd guess
> that to
> > > > > be the majority.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is interesting that VeriSign presents WLS as a way for it
> to help
> > > > > grow business for the Registrars (per the press release/quote
> below),
> > > > > but the Registrars who represent the majority of registrations
> have
> > > > > taken a position in opposition to WLS. Could it be that those
> > > > > Registrar's have noses that know the difference between
> chicken salad
> > > > > and chicken S*&%? I'd guess it is so, as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > If WLS becomes reality, the expiration date is really a minor
> > > > > consideration in the total scope of things. There will be
> much bigger
> > > > > fish to fry.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > A quote from NewsBytes -
> http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/173564.html
> > > > >
> > > > > But VeriSign spokeswoman Cheryl Regan contends that the
> demand for
> > > > > "recycled" domains is high enough that the service could
> provide a
> > > > > real boon to registrars.
> > > > >
> > > > > "We're doing this as a way to help grow new business for
> > > > > registrars," Regan said.
> > > > >
> > > > > roflmao :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Saturday, March 16, 2002, 5:11:52 PM, George Kirikos
> > > > <gkirikos@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > GK> Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > GK> Take a look at the WHOIS for the domain name
> "auction-barn.com"
> > > > >
> > > > > GK>
> > > >
> http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=auction-barn.com&Search
>
> > > > Type=do
> > > > >
> > > > > GK> In particular:
> > > > >
> > > > > GK> Record last updated on 15-Mar-2002.
> > > > > GK> Record created on 26-Jan-2000.
> > > > > GK> Database last updated on 16-Mar-2002 04:35:00 EST.
> > > > >
> > > > > GK> The "Record Expires" date is missing.
> > > > >
> > > > > GK> If VGRS goes ahead with WLS, this is a potentially serious
> issue,
> > > > as
> > > > > GK> consumers might be misled into purchasing WLS slots on
> names that
> > > > > GK> expire years in the future, as they'd have no way of
> knowing when
> > > > the
> > > > > GK> name truly expires (let alone when it is released, even if
> it
> > > > should be
> > > > > GK> past expiry). Existing customers and domain owners would
> also not
> > > > be
> > > > > GK> able to check for sure when a name is due to expire, if
> they can't
> > > > > GK> check the WHOIS on their own names.
> > > > >
> > > > > GK> Furthermore, aren't registrars required to show certain
> data
> > > > elements
> > > > > GK> in their WHOIS, as part of their accreditation contracts??
>
> > > > >
> > > > > GK> Sincerely,
> > > > >
> > > > > GK> George Kirikos
> > > > > GK> http://www.kirikos.com/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > GK> __________________________________________________
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----
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> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> > > Hermes Network Inc.
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