Re: [ga] MP3 technical failure - Another "Load"

[jse@adamspat.com]

Jeff:

I am unwilling to post my phone number on this list.  However, Danny Younger
has my number and it can be found on my firm's web site (which I will
apologize in advance for b/c it is slightly pathetic).  The URL is
www.adamspat.com

J. Scott Evans
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
To: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
Cc: "Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" <mcade@att.com>; <jse@adamspat.com>;
<ga@dnso.org>; "Stuart Lynn" <lynn@icann.org>; "icann board address"
<icann-board@icann.org>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] MP3 technical failure - Another "Load"


> Sotiris, Marilyn and all assembly members,
>
>   I have to agree again with Sotiris to a very great degree.  However
> Sotiris made a slight mistake at the end of his reply below by
> asking one of the same "Spinmiesters" that have created the mess
> in part how to proceed from here.  That is an invite to more
> spinmistering and non-productive nonsense or further damage
> to stakeholders...  So just asking for more brown fecal
> matter to be added to the existing "Load" is not what
> I hope you had in mind Sotiris..
>
>   BTW Marilyn and Scott still awaiting your phone call or
> real contact phone number, per your offers...  ???
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
>
> > "Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" wrote:
> > >
> > > I understand "both".    .....and  I know that in order to move ahead,
that
> > > Thomas and Alex and you, and others in the GA will need to be engaged.
> >
> > Ok Marilyn, let's have a hear to heart.
> >
> > It is frustrating to hear that our input is desired and to
> > _know_ that heretofore our input has been glossed over and
> > completely ignored.  To ask a question and get spin in
> > return is enough to test anyone's patience, and these fora
> > are replete with just such instances of non
> > communication.  Many of us are simply tired of knocking on
> > the deaf person's door...
> >
> > > I agree that ICANN has significant problems/challenges.  It's not easy
to be
> > > heard or to be effective... however, I attended an ITU Plenipot;
several
> > > OECD meetings, WIPO meetings....,many meetings of Parliaments and of
US
> > > Congress...... After that, I can't envision a governmental approach to
the
> > > management of these issues which moves quickly, provides broad
consensus
> > > development and is above nationalist perspectives. avoids government
> > > encroachment into technical issues of the Internet.
> >
> > You make a good point here.  I too would hate to see
> > governments in charge, but with the prevailing US
> > corporate and DoC stranglehold over all things ICANN, it's
> > pretty difficult to see a difference between the frying
> > pan or the fire, so to speak.
> >
> > >
> > > I know that many think their voice isn't heard at ICANN - some would
be
> > > amazed that the business community complains about the same issue....
> > > but...here's our common challenge:
> > >
> > > --in multi lateral organizations, only governments have a voice.  You
may
> > > not think ICANN is much better, but I hope you will give it a further
> > > chance. You can always devolve to governmental oversight.
> > >  And you can work now to make it better.
> >
> > Many of us have been trying to do so for four years.  Case
> > in point: At the request of others, I assumed the Chair of
> > the WG Review when Greg Burton did his deed and
> > mysteriously dropped out, we went on to produce a document
> > that was not even mentioned on the DNSO web site and was
> > clearly ignored by all of you in the NC. Instead, Theresa
> > Swineheart misrepresented the "public input" from the only
> > WG to ever produce 2! reports...  Since that time nothing
> > has changed in ICANN's methodologies -i.e. give token lip
> > service to public input and spin whatever angle you
> > please, citing the thousands of postings on the GA list as
> > credible input that has been taken into account.  When
> > this changes, perhaps many of us will take it upon
> > ourselves to start working to "make it better".  So, how
> > do you suggest we proceed?
> >
> > --
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> >         Hermes Network Inc.
> >         Toronto, Canada
> >
> > ----
> > direct: 416.422.1034
> >
> > icq: 34564103
>
> Regards,
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> Contact Number:  972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827
> Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
>
>
>

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