Re: [ga] MP3 technical failure - Another "Load"

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Scott and all assembly members,

  Scott the number listed on the web site you listed, http://www.adamspat.com/
is not your personal phone number ( [704] 375-9249 ).  It is also dam
convenient of you to today as Saturday to finally leave some method
by which you can be contacted.  The number [704] 375-9249 is for
a law firm that I assume you are a partner in.  I left a very brief and
unappreciative Phone mail message at your EXTENSION.  You sir,
are I suspect hiding behind Phone Mail.  THAT does not engender
trust.  I now DO NOT trust you.  I will file a complaint with the
ABA and notify my personal Atty. today.  YOU sir are being
purposefully misleading.  As such from this point on ANYTHING
you may say is NOT to be believed.
So much for honesty and transparency from you, and your participation
on the ICP-3.  Lets see how Marilyn does...

jse@adamspat.com wrote:

> Jeff:
>
> I am unwilling to post my phone number on this list.  However, Danny Younger
> has my number and it can be found on my firm's web site (which I will
> apologize in advance for b/c it is slightly pathetic).  The URL is
> www.adamspat.com
>
> J. Scott Evans
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> To: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> Cc: "Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" <mcade@att.com>; <jse@adamspat.com>;
> <ga@dnso.org>; "Stuart Lynn" <lynn@icann.org>; "icann board address"
> <icann-board@icann.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [ga] MP3 technical failure - Another "Load"
>
> > Sotiris, Marilyn and all assembly members,
> >
> >   I have to agree again with Sotiris to a very great degree.  However
> > Sotiris made a slight mistake at the end of his reply below by
> > asking one of the same "Spinmiesters" that have created the mess
> > in part how to proceed from here.  That is an invite to more
> > spinmistering and non-productive nonsense or further damage
> > to stakeholders...  So just asking for more brown fecal
> > matter to be added to the existing "Load" is not what
> > I hope you had in mind Sotiris..
> >
> >   BTW Marilyn and Scott still awaiting your phone call or
> > real contact phone number, per your offers...  ???
> >
> > Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
> >
> > > "Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I understand "both".    .....and  I know that in order to move ahead,
> that
> > > > Thomas and Alex and you, and others in the GA will need to be engaged.
> > >
> > > Ok Marilyn, let's have a hear to heart.
> > >
> > > It is frustrating to hear that our input is desired and to
> > > _know_ that heretofore our input has been glossed over and
> > > completely ignored.  To ask a question and get spin in
> > > return is enough to test anyone's patience, and these fora
> > > are replete with just such instances of non
> > > communication.  Many of us are simply tired of knocking on
> > > the deaf person's door...
> > >
> > > > I agree that ICANN has significant problems/challenges.  It's not easy
> to be
> > > > heard or to be effective... however, I attended an ITU Plenipot;
> several
> > > > OECD meetings, WIPO meetings....,many meetings of Parliaments and of
> US
> > > > Congress...... After that, I can't envision a governmental approach to
> the
> > > > management of these issues which moves quickly, provides broad
> consensus
> > > > development and is above nationalist perspectives. avoids government
> > > > encroachment into technical issues of the Internet.
> > >
> > > You make a good point here.  I too would hate to see
> > > governments in charge, but with the prevailing US
> > > corporate and DoC stranglehold over all things ICANN, it's
> > > pretty difficult to see a difference between the frying
> > > pan or the fire, so to speak.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I know that many think their voice isn't heard at ICANN - some would
> be
> > > > amazed that the business community complains about the same issue....
> > > > but...here's our common challenge:
> > > >
> > > > --in multi lateral organizations, only governments have a voice.  You
> may
> > > > not think ICANN is much better, but I hope you will give it a further
> > > > chance. You can always devolve to governmental oversight.
> > > >  And you can work now to make it better.
> > >
> > > Many of us have been trying to do so for four years.  Case
> > > in point: At the request of others, I assumed the Chair of
> > > the WG Review when Greg Burton did his deed and
> > > mysteriously dropped out, we went on to produce a document
> > > that was not even mentioned on the DNSO web site and was
> > > clearly ignored by all of you in the NC. Instead, Theresa
> > > Swineheart misrepresented the "public input" from the only
> > > WG to ever produce 2! reports...  Since that time nothing
> > > has changed in ICANN's methodologies -i.e. give token lip
> > > service to public input and spin whatever angle you
> > > please, citing the thousands of postings on the GA list as
> > > credible input that has been taken into account.  When
> > > this changes, perhaps many of us will take it upon
> > > ourselves to start working to "make it better".  So, how
> > > do you suggest we proceed?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> > >         Hermes Network Inc.
> > >         Toronto, Canada
> > >
> > > ----
> > > direct: 416.422.1034
> > >
> > > icq: 34564103
> >
> > Regards,
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
> > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> > Contact Number:  972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827
> > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> >
> >
> >

Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Contact Number:  972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208


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