Re: [ga] Re: Transfers: Apparent Authority Discussion

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Marilyn, all assembly members and TF members,

Cade,Marilyn S - LGA wrote:

> Conversations back and forth are helpful to build understanding, and can be part of the "record".

  Yes indeed this is quite true.  None the less not being able to directly
participate a la a WG format makes this task force approach to
adequate input very questionable as to any outcome or potential
report(s) that may be generated as a result.

>
>
> As chair, I note:
>
> We are trying to take input and concrete suggestions as well as comments on our document.

  This is good of course.  But still inadequate.

>
>
> The Task Force's work will be enhanced by concrete submissions to the Task Force, with specific language. We would welcome any definition(s) which you might wish to offer, Danny.

  How many tons of "Concrete" would you like?  >:)  And where would
you like it delivered?  >;)  Danny has offered several definitions as have
I and a number of others Marilyn.  If they did not meet your criterion as
to what is "Concrete" than you should be specific and open in saying so...
Thus far, that doesn't seem to be the case.  Hence I can only therefore
conclude that only some "Concrete" input is being considered seriously
for reason or reasons that seem suspicious but are not exactly known.

  So I hope that THIS input is "Concrete" enough for you?!

>
> I have included the Transfer TF list. The previous cc's were part, but not all of the Transfer TF.

  How convenient... But not unexpected...

>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:ross@tucows.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 12:54 PM
> To: DannyYounger@cs.com; ga@dnso.org
> Cc: Cade,Marilyn S - LGA; roessler@does-not-exist.org;
> Elisabeth.Porteneuve@cetp.ipsl.fr; RJS@lojo.co.nz;
> synthesis@videotron.ca; nick.wood@nom-iq.com; grant.forsyth@clear.co.nz;
> crusso@verisign.com; mcf@uwm.edu; orobles@nic.mx; james.love@cptech.org
> Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Transfers: Apparent Authority Discussion
>
> >
> > In the document that is not "your draft", it is written:
> >
> > "The Task Force suggests that, after further examination, that apparent
> > authority is a well-defined legal concept and the lack of specific
> definition
> > within the relevant body of ICANN policy should not be a barrier to the
> work
> > of this task force to make policy recommendations."
> >
> > Why continue to be obtuse?  Is there a particular reason why you will not
> > provide a specific definition?
>
> Speaking from a drafting team perspective, what is obtuse about the present
> legal definition of AA? IANAL, but in agency law, the specific definition is
> pretty clear.
>
> > Further, what problems do you have with the
> > Australian model as cited?
>
> Speaking from a personal/Tucows/Constituency member perspective the
> Australian model is one of the finest examples of avoiding the tough
> problems that I have seen in a long time. I am sure that it works within the
> confines of their limited scope, but until CP/IP gains wider support, using
> tree-bark to conduct business in a global market over the Internet remains
> silly.
>
> With that being said, I am sure that if there is any interest within the TF
> in exploring the .au model then I am sure that it will be discussed. My
> initial reaction is that it won't be a very productive discussion in that it
> solves the wrong problems.
>
> -rwr
>
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