[ga] Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] Re: [atlarge-discuss] Trashing Our Founding Principles

["James Love" <james.love@cptech.org>]

Well, I don't think they do have the "blessing" of the USG just yet.   Why
is why, for example, the details of the NomCom are pretty scarce, to mention
only one issue.  The US Congress is also important here, for those who
follow US politics.   Other national governments are also beginning to
become more engaged too.   At least a little.   Non-US at large types should
pick up the phone and talk to their own governments about things, to get a
reality check.

Jamie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Schneiders" <marc@fuchsia.bijt.net>
To: "James Love" <james.love@cptech.org>
Cc: <DannyYounger@cs.com>; <ga@dnso.org>; <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>;
<discuss@icann-ncc.org>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 8:37 PM
Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] Re: [atlarge-discuss]
Trashing Our Founding Principles


: Danny, Jamie, others,
:
: It would be amazing, if the ICANN top did not have the blessing of the USG
: already for their reform plan. I don't think the ICANN board consists of
: gamblers. Trying to convince the USG seems a waste of time therefore.
:
: Since ICANN is now developing into an organization run by the suppliers
: only, the consumers/users have no other option than to organize in a
: parallel organization, which will demand a part of the 'power'. This will
: not be easy. Unfortunately I see no other way though.
:
: In principle the Internet is not made up of suppliers and consumers.
: However, if some users (Intellectual Property owners e.g.) start to behave
: as suppliers, the others cannot let them grab the power under the disguise
: of them being the only 'stakeholders'. Especially not since this
: experiment in industry self-regulation, called ICANN, manages a cartel.
:
: --
: Marc @ ICOULD .ORG
:
: On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, at 12:19 [=GMT-0400], James Love wrote:
:
: > I agree with Danny that those involved in the at large organizing effort
: > should speak out  on the current ICANN reform proposals.  Earlier much
was
: > made of the "go forth and multiply" statement, which allowed some to
believe
: > this was still possible.     The current reform proposals continue the
: > allusion of some possible at large, but only for the most gullible, and
only
: > because  they have avoiding providing useful detail of how the NomCom is
: > constituted.
: >
: > Jamie
: >
: >
: > ----- Original Message -----
: > From: <DannyYounger@cs.com>
: > To: <ga@dnso.org>
: > Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>; <discuss@icann-ncc.org>
: > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 11:56 AM
: > Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Trashing Our Founding Principles
: >
: >
: > : The Palace Coup d'Etat Committee has presented us with a plan that
: > : permanently disenfranchises the at-large membership, eliminates all
: > : elections, and creates a self-perpetuating regime accountable to no
one.
: > We
: > : will now "evolve" from a democratic representative model to control by
an
: > : oligarchy of technocrats.
: > :
: > : This is not evolution, it is the repudiation of our founding
principles.
: > : This ICANN Board has forfeited our trust.
: > :
: > : I call on all those that support the at-large initiative to set aside
: > : whatever mundane tasks that currently occupy their time, and to
: > immediately
: > : draft a letter to the Department of Commerce to call for a return to
the
: > : founding agreements of 1998.  We should settle for nothing less than
ICANN
: > as
: > : a true membership organization with the membership electing their own
: > : leadership and Board.
: > :
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