RE: [ga] Re: Vint why do none of the NIC's have any way to inform them of WHOIS data that is wrong...

["Ross Wm. Rader" <ross@tucows.com>]

> enough ICANN is still the best place to enforce that. Because 
> without DNS services they are dead in the water.

Big difference between registration services and DNS services.

Just my $0.02 ;)




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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org] On Behalf 
> Of todd glassey
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:48 AM
> To: vinton g. cerf
> Cc: ga@dnso.org
> Subject: [ga] Re: Vint why do none of the NIC's have any way 
> to inform them of WHOIS data that is wrong...
> 
> 
> Vint the real issue is that for a large number of the APNIC's 
> email and other contact info items are/is bogus. The real 
> issue is that the NIC's must start to be accountable for the 
> integrity of the information they are using to justify or 
> authorize their acting as publication agents and in instances 
> where the domains are just setup for spamming, the registrars 
> really need to be liable for their actions, i.e. the 
> enablement of the SPAM itself.
> 
> In many cases its identical to the Firearms Reseller Issues 
> and we all know where those lawsuits have gone and what their 
> outcome is. What I propose is two fold. The first is that the 
> registrars need to be accountable for providing services that 
> are used to hurt other people or to impede their IP rights. 
> The second is that the Layer Three ISP's have to be 
> accountable for what flows through their EMAIL GW's and oddly 
> enough ICANN is still the best place to enforce that. Because 
> without DNS services they are dead in the water.
> 
> Just my two cents.
> 
> Todd
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "vinton g. cerf" <vinton.g.cerf@wcom.com>
> To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>
> Cc: <ga@dnso.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Vint why do none of the NIC's have any way to 
> inform them of WHOIS data that is wrong...
> 
> 
> > this is a fairly current topic and I agree it does need to be 
> > addressed. ICANN recently threatend Verisign with 
> excommunication over 
> > this issue and Verisign did respond but the problem is plainly 
> > widespread. Of course, free email boxes exacerbate problems of this 
> > kind, too, I guess. Thanks for this input; it will motivate more 
> > effort on policy and implementation.
> >
> > vint
> >
> > At 07:23 AM 9/17/2002 -0700, todd glassey wrote:
> > >Vint - the operating process of the NIC's seem to have no way for 
> > >individuals to report domains that are either 
> misregistered or have 
> > >fraudulent contact information or broken links for whatever reason.
> > >
> > >This is a real problem since these are the issues that 
> spammers and 
> > >other peddlers of illicit materials create for themselves to hide 
> > >behind. For instance - I get this SPAM this morning showing half a 
> > >dozen school girls involved in various sexual acts and 
> after doing a 
> > >header analysis, we
> find
> > >it comes from a domain called 99talk.com, registered 
> through the Boy
> Scouts
> > >of Australia, only the contact email addresses for the domain all
> bounce...
> > >
> > >And in instances like this one,  if the NIC bothered to check its 
> > >contact data on a regular basis of course this would not 
> be true. So 
> > >I have to
> ask -
> > >Why then do the InterNIC's not have any way of taking reports or 
> > >doing anything about these fraudulent or inaccurate 
> listings in the 
> > >Whois or
> other
> > >"client databases" maintained buy the NIC's?
> > >
> > >This is negligence in the Registrar and ICANN process, not 
> an excuse 
> > >for plausible deniability and it needs to be addressed.
> > >
> > >Todd
> >
> > Vint Cerf
> > SVP Architecture & Technology
> > WorldCom
> > 22001 Loudoun County Parkway, F2-4115
> > Ashburn, VA 20147
> > 703 886 1690 (v806 1690)
> > 703 886 0047 fax
> >
> 
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