Re: [ga] Re: Vint why do none of the NIC's have any way to inform them of WHOIS data that is wrong...

["todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>]

Rick I know that the WHOIS database is not used per se to generate SPAM
lists nor, especially since many of the addresses in WHOIS are bogus anyway.
The WHOIS system was setup so that responsible parties could get access to
other responsible parties. What it has become is something totally
different. What we need is a system for getting at domain owners such that
there is something that can be done about spam and spam providers. Amongst
other issues.

Todd

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Wesson" <wessorh@ar.com>
To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>
Cc: "vinton g. cerf" <vinton.g.cerf@wcom.com>; <ga@dnso.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Vint why do none of the NIC's have any way to inform
them of WHOIS data that is wrong...


>
> Todd,
>
> your email address is harvestable from the archive of this list, from each
> post to usenet, from your web page etc. the whois is but one source that
> provides harvestable email addresses.
>
> As for enforcement; ICANN is not the place becuase it has no powers to
> enforce, the place is the courts, and congress;
>
> -rick
>
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, todd glassey wrote:
>
> > Vint the real issue is that for a large number of the APNIC's email and
> > other contact info items are/is bogus. The real issue is that the NIC's
must
> > start to be accountable for the integrity of the information they are
using
> > to justify or authorize their acting as publication agents and in
instances
> > where the domains are just setup for spamming, the registrars really
need to
> > be liable for their actions, i.e. the enablement of the SPAM itself.
> >
> > In many cases its identical to the Firearms Reseller Issues and we all
know
> > where those lawsuits have gone and what their outcome is. What I propose
is
> > two fold. The first is that the registrars need to be accountable for
> > providing services that are used to hurt other people or to impede their
IP
> > rights. The second is that the Layer Three ISP's have to be accountable
for
> > what flows through their EMAIL GW's and oddly enough ICANN is still the
best
> > place to enforce that. Because without DNS services they are dead in the
> > water.
> >
> > Just my two cents.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "vinton g. cerf" <vinton.g.cerf@wcom.com>
> > To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>
> > Cc: <ga@dnso.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: Vint why do none of the NIC's have any way to inform them
of
> > WHOIS data that is wrong...
> >
> >
> > > this is a fairly current topic and I agree it does need to be
> > > addressed. ICANN recently threatend Verisign with excommunication
> > > over this issue and Verisign did respond but the problem is plainly
> > > widespread. Of course, free email boxes exacerbate problems of this
> > > kind, too, I guess. Thanks for this input; it will motivate more
> > > effort on policy and implementation.
> > >
> > > vint
> > >
> > > At 07:23 AM 9/17/2002 -0700, todd glassey wrote:
> > > >Vint - the operating process of the NIC's seem to have no way for
> > > >individuals to report domains that are either misregistered or have
> > > >fraudulent contact information or broken links for whatever reason.
> > > >
> > > >This is a real problem since these are the issues that spammers and
other
> > > >peddlers of illicit materials create for themselves to hide behind.
For
> > > >instance - I get this SPAM this morning showing half a dozen school
girls
> > > >involved in various sexual acts and after doing a header analysis, we
> > find
> > > >it comes from a domain called 99talk.com, registered through the Boy
> > Scouts
> > > >of Australia, only the contact email addresses for the domain all
> > bounce...
> > > >
> > > >And in instances like this one,  if the NIC bothered to check its
contact
> > > >data on a regular basis of course this would not be true. So I have
to
> > ask -
> > > >Why then do the InterNIC's not have any way of taking reports or
doing
> > > >anything about these fraudulent or inaccurate listings in the Whois
or
> > other
> > > >"client databases" maintained buy the NIC's?
> > > >
> > > >This is negligence in the Registrar and ICANN process, not an excuse
for
> > > >plausible deniability and it needs to be addressed.
> > > >
> > > >Todd
> > >
> > > Vint Cerf
> > > SVP Architecture & Technology
> > > WorldCom
> > > 22001 Loudoun County Parkway, F2-4115
> > > Ashburn, VA 20147
> > > 703 886 1690 (v806 1690)
> > > 703 886 0047 fax
> > >
> >
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