Re: [ga] Re: Vint why do none of the NIC's have any way to inform them of WHOIS data that is wrong...

["Ross Wm. Rader" <ross@tucows.com>]

> RMR - not as far as the average customer is concerned - they only know
that
> their point of contact with the DNS service process is the registrar.
>

So we should suspend reality then? My point is that not all parties that
provide registration services provide DNS services and not all those that
provide DNS services do so in a way that has any bearing on what ICANN is
concerned with.

Thanks,


                     -rwr




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----- Original Message -----
From: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ross@tucows.com>; "'vinton g. cerf'" <vinton.g.cerf@wcom.com>
Cc: <ga@dnso.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Vint why do none of the NIC's have any way to inform
them of WHOIS data that is wrong...


> RMR - not as far as the average customer is concerned - they only know
that
> their point of contact with the DNS service process is the registrar.
>
> Todd
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ross Wm. Rader" <ross@tucows.com>
> To: "'todd glassey'" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>; "'vinton g. cerf'"
> <vinton.g.cerf@wcom.com>
> Cc: <ga@dnso.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:19 AM
> Subject: RE: [ga] Re: Vint why do none of the NIC's have any way to inform
> them of WHOIS data that is wrong...
>
>
> > > enough ICANN is still the best place to enforce that. Because
> > > without DNS services they are dead in the water.
> >
> > Big difference between registration services and DNS services.
> >
> > Just my $0.02 ;)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >                        -rwr
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "There's a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore like an
> > idiot."
> > - Steven Wright
> >
> > Got Blog? http://www.byte.org/blog
> >
> > Please review our ICANN Reform Proposal:
> > http://www.byte.org/heathrow
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org] On Behalf
> > > Of todd glassey
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:48 AM
> > > To: vinton g. cerf
> > > Cc: ga@dnso.org
> > > Subject: [ga] Re: Vint why do none of the NIC's have any way
> > > to inform them of WHOIS data that is wrong...
> > >
> > >
> > > Vint the real issue is that for a large number of the APNIC's
> > > email and other contact info items are/is bogus. The real
> > > issue is that the NIC's must start to be accountable for the
> > > integrity of the information they are using to justify or
> > > authorize their acting as publication agents and in instances
> > > where the domains are just setup for spamming, the registrars
> > > really need to be liable for their actions, i.e. the
> > > enablement of the SPAM itself.
> > >
> > > In many cases its identical to the Firearms Reseller Issues
> > > and we all know where those lawsuits have gone and what their
> > > outcome is. What I propose is two fold. The first is that the
> > > registrars need to be accountable for providing services that
> > > are used to hurt other people or to impede their IP rights.
> > > The second is that the Layer Three ISP's have to be
> > > accountable for what flows through their EMAIL GW's and oddly
> > > enough ICANN is still the best place to enforce that. Because
> > > without DNS services they are dead in the water.
> > >
> > > Just my two cents.
> > >
> > > Todd
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "vinton g. cerf" <vinton.g.cerf@wcom.com>
> > > To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>
> > > Cc: <ga@dnso.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:33 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Vint why do none of the NIC's have any way to
> > > inform them of WHOIS data that is wrong...
> > >
> > >
> > > > this is a fairly current topic and I agree it does need to be
> > > > addressed. ICANN recently threatend Verisign with
> > > excommunication over
> > > > this issue and Verisign did respond but the problem is plainly
> > > > widespread. Of course, free email boxes exacerbate problems of this
> > > > kind, too, I guess. Thanks for this input; it will motivate more
> > > > effort on policy and implementation.
> > > >
> > > > vint
> > > >
> > > > At 07:23 AM 9/17/2002 -0700, todd glassey wrote:
> > > > >Vint - the operating process of the NIC's seem to have no way for
> > > > >individuals to report domains that are either
> > > misregistered or have
> > > > >fraudulent contact information or broken links for whatever reason.
> > > > >
> > > > >This is a real problem since these are the issues that
> > > spammers and
> > > > >other peddlers of illicit materials create for themselves to hide
> > > > >behind. For instance - I get this SPAM this morning showing half a
> > > > >dozen school girls involved in various sexual acts and
> > > after doing a
> > > > >header analysis, we
> > > find
> > > > >it comes from a domain called 99talk.com, registered
> > > through the Boy
> > > Scouts
> > > > >of Australia, only the contact email addresses for the domain all
> > > bounce...
> > > > >
> > > > >And in instances like this one,  if the NIC bothered to check its
> > > > >contact data on a regular basis of course this would not
> > > be true. So
> > > > >I have to
> > > ask -
> > > > >Why then do the InterNIC's not have any way of taking reports or
> > > > >doing anything about these fraudulent or inaccurate
> > > listings in the
> > > > >Whois or
> > > other
> > > > >"client databases" maintained buy the NIC's?
> > > > >
> > > > >This is negligence in the Registrar and ICANN process, not
> > > an excuse
> > > > >for plausible deniability and it needs to be addressed.
> > > > >
> > > > >Todd
> > > >
> > > > Vint Cerf
> > > > SVP Architecture & Technology
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> > > > 22001 Loudoun County Parkway, F2-4115
> > > > Ashburn, VA 20147
> > > > 703 886 1690 (v806 1690)
> > > > 703 886 0047 fax
> > > >
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