Fw: Re[3]: [ga-ext] Re: [ga] The IC constituency building results so far [was: stuff]

["NameCritic" <watch-dog@inreach.com>]

Chris McElroy aka NameCritic

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From: "NameCritic" <watch-dog@inreach.com>
To: <jandl@jandl.com>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Re[3]: [ga-ext] Re: [ga] The IC constituency building results
so far [was: stuff]


> Not a bad point. On the WG-Review back in January, I proposed something
> similar. I proposed that we simply draft a document outlining the need for
> an IDNH/O Constituency and draft it carefully avoiding naming who or what
> org would represent it. Simply getting them to begin the process by which
> one would be recognized. Let them adopt a similar process as they did in
> their TLD approval farce without the $50,000 application fee.
>
> Also instead of just the BoD selecting who will represent the IDNO/H, put
it
> to a vote when orgs put forth their applications to be the one
representing.
> Any org could apply even newly formed one and yes even the IDNO could do
the
> same.
>
> The important issue is that there BE one formed and how and who will
choose
> who it will be. I was interupted about 4 times writing this, so help me
make
> some sense from it. I think you all get the idea.
>
> Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "L Gallegos" <jandl@jandl.com>
> To: <ga-ext@dnso.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Re[3]: [ga-ext] Re: [ga] The IC constituency building results
> so far [was: stuff]
>
>
> > FWIW, I think we need to work on an IDNHC and use whatever we have
> > all learned from past efforts.  First of all, what comes first, the
> chicken
> > or the egg?  Will it be a top-down formation where we ask ICANN BoD
> > to authorize the constituency first, or form it from THIS LIST, develop
a
> > charter and then apply?
> >
> > Personally, I think we should do both.  I think the BoD should authorize
> > the constituency so that it can be formed by the members.  Then
> > devleop the charter and submit it for approval.
> >
> > Further, it is obvious that the BoD is going to do everything it can to
> > disenfranchise any group that advocates individual partipation including
> > the at-large and GA.  It's going to take a lot more than a GA list to
> > combat this.
> >
> > We either come together now and work toward creating something solid
> > or we lose to the power that be.  If there is such contentiousness wrt
> > IDNO or any other pre-exiting group, then start fresh right now, and as
I
> > said, use what we have learned from past experience.  Start working on
> > a set of guidelines that will be acceptable and workable instead of
> > haggling over history.
> >
> > >From my perspective, I will use my "delete" key quite a bit.
> >
> > Leah
> >
> >
> > On 10 May 2001, at 22:38, William X. Walsh wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Joop,
> > >
> > > Thursday, May 10, 2001, 9:15:17 PM, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > >
> > > > At 19:09 10/05/01 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
> > >
> > > >>> The exercise has also exposed the weaknesses inherent in "on-line"
> > > > democracy.
> > > >>> The excessive power of  a single dissenting individual with too
much
> > > > time on
> > > >>> his hands.
> > > >>
> > > >>A single dissenting individual?
> > > >>
> > > >>I'll stick my neck out here, because in this case Joop, you are flat
> out
> > > >>lying.
> > > >>
> > >
> > > > William, I made a generalized observation about on-line democracy.
> > > > Of course you stick your neck out.
> > > > Getting removed from the list by the moderator will save you from
> having
> > > > to prove your allegations and allow you to claim being gagged.
> > > > Transparent ploy.
> > >
> > > Joop, there is no ploy going on.
> > >
> > > I'm still working to get people who can actually get through to you to
> drop
> > > this counter productive issue without forcing myself and others to
bring
> > > the entire IDNO debate back into the limelight.
> > >
> > > For the record, 3 people on the IDNO list have responded to your post
> > > earlier and all of them agree that you should not be making the IDNO
> > > the focus of an effort to get a domain owners constituency moved
> > > forward.  This doesn't include posts made to the GA list saying the
> > > same thing.
> > >
> > > Do you still want to claim that this is just one person?
> > >
> > > I'm being very conservative in what I say, because I recognize the
> > > harm that us getting into this debate can cause, and I want to give
> > > you every reasonable chance to work positively instead of negatively.
> > >
> > > I've proven the allegations many times, and the proof is in the IDNO
> > > archives (of which I have full copies as well, in the event they are
> > > doctored).
> > >
> > > We've been here before, and your insistence along this line will not
> > > foster positive progress.
> > >
> > > So answer this point blank, do you intend to make the IDNO the focus
> > > of your push for a domain owner's constituency?
> > >
> > > I've been treating you with kids gloves since you brought this entire
> > > issue up, giving you every chance to save face.
> > >
> > > You're own supporters pushed you to back down when this all came to a
> > > head in the IDNO earlier this year.  Do you really expect them to
> > > support your IDNO campaign now at the expense of a real chance at
> > > getting a constituency proposal advanced from the GA?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > > William X Walsh
> > > mailto:william@userfriendly.com
> > > Owner, Userfriendly.com
> > > Userfriendly.com Domains
> > > The most advanced domain lookup tool on the net
> > >
> > >
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