Re: [ga-udrp] FW: Non-member submission from ["Rothnie, Warwick" <WarwickA.Rothnie@msj.com.au>]

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Chris and all,

NameCritic wrote:

> Yes I CAN say Registrants arew being denied equal legal representation and
> treatment. To not see that is to bury your head in the sand. All one has to
> do is read the cases and how they were decided and the summaries and
> conclusions to see that TM Protection is seriously stretched into something
> much more than the courts have allowed in the past and way beyond the
> protection the USPTO gives to them.

  Exactly correct here Chris.  I am glad you are able to see through the
"SPIN" here.

>
>
> TMs have classifications. Domain names do not. A TM does NOT give someone
> all rights to a particular string of letters. It only protects that string
> in it's use in commerce in the classification for which it was filed.

Exactly right here again in the US anyway.  However this is an argument
that has been presented as one that justifies the proposed need for
the A UDRP.  I tend to agree it is.

> UDRP
> actions have consistantly ignored this fact and stolen domain names from
> Registrants. Yes I said stolen. I don't beat around the bush. If it looks
> like a duck and walks like a duck . . .

  Yes the current WIPO/ICANN Version of the UDRP does give
the complainant a particular advantage.  As such the need for reform
is well recognized even by some of the arbiters and WIPO itself.

>
>
> Domain Names are taken that HAVE NOT been used in commerce at all and TMs
> have been given victories based on dilution of a famous mark when the marks
> would never be considered famous in a court of law.

  Correct unfortunately.

>
>
> Respondants have been turned down for court appeals of the UDRP decisions in
> some cases while I have never heard of the same happening to a Complainant.
> I am already looking an example so don't bother asking. When I find it I'll
> post it. There was one in recent news so it shouldn't be difficult to find.
>
> In one of the Arbitration Services I have heard they will, for and extra
> $250 accept additional filings from a Complainant after both sides have been
> heard.

  Sounds an awful lot like additional justice by the pound, doesn't it?

>
>
> The Complainant can Forum Shop. There is NO appeals process. There is no
> committee to oversee the actions of the arbitrators. 84% Victory rate for
> Complainants overall. Using NO use of a domain name as Bad Faith and finding
> that a TM was infringed upon. With NO commercial use. Give me a break here.
>
> Spin on my good man.

  I have had a series of private exchanges with Warwick very recently.
He does seem to have a certain interest in "Spinning".  But that's just
fine, it is usually easily noticed...

>
>
> Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rothnie, Warwick" <Warwick.Rothnie@msj.com.au>
> To: <ga-udrp@dnso.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 4:40 PM
> Subject: [ga-udrp] FW: Non-member submission from ["Rothnie, Warwick"
> <WarwickA.Rothnie@msj.com.au>]
>
> > Mallesons Stephen Jaques
> > Confidential communication
> >
> > Erik Dierker said:
> > >
> > > > > > I for one like existing laws
> > > > > >and would like to see them enforced and if an UDRP did this I
> > would
> > > be
> > > > > all for
> > > > > >it, otherwise it looks like a mechanism for circumvention of
> > > Sovereign
> > > > > and
> > > > > >legitmate laws.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since the UDRP expressly contemplates parties pursuing their
> > rights
> > > on
> > > > > the courts, however, courts will not consider that the sovereignty
> > > of
> > > > > the laws has been circumvented.  That is the point of allowing
> > > parties
> > > > > to resort to the courts.  Many arbitration agreements, which are
> > > upheld
> > > > > by the courts, go even further than the UDRP and preclude court
> > > action
> > > > > over factual findings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Warwick A Rothnie
> > > > > Partner
> > > > > Mallesons Stephen Jaques Melbourne
> > > > > Direct line (61 3) 9643 4254
> > > > > Fax (61 3) 9643 5999
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >I am sorry to have confused you but I think we are talking apples and
> > > oranges
> > > >here.  If I sign a valid arbitration agreement with you and it states
> > > that the
> > > >exixting Trademark Law will govern on any issue of my right to a name
> > > as opposed
> > > >to someone elses, and we arbitrate and the arbitrators missapply that
> > > existing
> > > >Trademark Law on a consistent and reliable manner to the benefit of
> > one
> > > interest
> > > >group that is in violation of the sovereign laws of the State.  Add
> > to
> > > that
> > > >Monopoly, add to that adhesion contracts add to that Violations of
> > the
> > > MOU with
> > > >the DoC.
> > >
> > > >So they have done an end run and circumvented the laws. Notice I used
> > > the term
> > > >circumvention and not violation before. But, add all this to ICANN
> > now
> > > getting
> > > >into the business of telling countries they have to follow ICANNs
> > UDRP
> > > and you
> > > >have a flat out violation of law as established by treaty.
> > >
> > But surely that is just like any arbitrator making a mistake (assuming
> > there be one) and the aggrieved party getting an appropriate court to
> > review and, if necessary, rectify.  The UDRP provides that safety valve
> > in spades and in the USA (home of plaintiffs' lawyers and contingency
> > fees), you could hardly claim that meritorious registrants are being
> > shut out of the legal system.
> >
> > Warwick A Rothnie
> > Partner
> > Mallesons Stephen Jaques Melbourne
> > Direct line (61 3) 9643 4254
> > Fax (61 3) 9643 5999
> >
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