Re: [ga] Privacy and Whois databases

[Peter Veeck <veeck@texoma.net>]

NO -- It is also your ISP who is taking the hit.  It is also all of the other legitimate users
active on the net.  The question comes up as to which straw broke the camel's back.

What is the SPAMMer's ISP supposed to do, filter all out going email for SPAMM.  Talk about a
privacy issue.  He doesn't even know the SPAMMer is on line unless he gets an email from him until
someone sends a complaint.

Peter Veeck

Jeff Williams wrote:

> Peter and all,
>
>   Well it has cut the spamm I get better than 95%, so I would say that
> my bot's are VERY effective.  In fact I find that I have to use them
> very little now.  Hence the problem is significantly reduced.  But
> you are right, the ISP in which the spammer was using, does get
> effected, which to me is where the problem should be handled
> in the first place.  Again, justice is served, so to speak.  >;)
>
> Peter Veeck wrote:
>
> > At the same time you creat a ten fold hit to the ISP's banb width.  So who gets hurt. You
> > haven't bothered the SPAMMer at all.  Probably his return address does not exist so if the
> > domain exists you clog up the mail server's spool file and slow the whole system down.  Thats
> > all right, you can now call the ISP or your friends and complain about the system speed.
> >
> > Peter Veeck
> >
> > Jeff Williams wrote:
> >
> > > Joe, Peter and all,
> > >
> > >   Lets face some hard facts here.  You are NEVER going to eliminate
> > > spamm entirely.  You will be very lucky if you even are able to reduce
> > > it to any great degree over any period of time.  That will only be
> > > accomplished at the user level, not at the ISP level.
> > >
> > >   I have several what I call "Reverse-Spamming" tools that I have built
> > > as E-Mail bots for my e-mailer that I can turn on or off and selectively
> > > direct to the perp should that be necessary.  What they do is redirect
> > > the spamm message back to the originator and the "Known" DN
> > > admin. address, except they send 10 to 1 back to that spammer
> > > and to the admin. that the DN is assigned if that is known.
> > > This one has worked particularly well with certain members of this
> > > list on occasion, for instance.  >;)  And also with the "KIng of Spamm",
> > > AOL.  It just give them a taste of their own medicine.  >;)  I have found
> > > it extremely effective.  So you can see that no ISP intervention or
> > > WHOIS data is required.  >;)
> > >
> > > J. Baptista wrote:
> > >
> > > > Exactly.  That's the trick - using the dns to separate the good from the
> > > > bad.  We have also proposed a dot.uce, and dot.spam - as a means of
> > > > keeping spam out of the non spam loop.
> > > >
> > > > More and more companies need this sort of service.  As more and more free
> > > > internet services are offered in exchange for adverts, this sort of thing
> > > > will be critical to keeping the spam (or pro uce com-email) people and the
> > > > antispamers separate.  I think both groups are nuts and the sooner that we
> > > > get them on their own separate infrastructure nets, the better.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Joe Baptista
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Peter Veeck wrote:
> > > >
> >
>
> Regards,
>
> --
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