Re: [ga] List moderation

[<idno@tallship.net>]

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Joop Teernstra wrote:

> The proposed civil discourse rules for the IDNO (www.idno.org/discuss.htm)
> return the responsibility for moderation enforcement to the majority of the
> list voters. (the principle of ostracism)
> With a web based Polling Booth (www.idno.org/vote1) this becomes possible.

You are a liar Joop Teernstra. The majority of the IDNO have never had a
voice unless it was shared by yourself. The Polling booth you speak of has
been used as a weapon against democratic process more often than the
mechanism of it's delivery, in that you use it to distribute propaganda
and reword ballot initiatives to suit yourself - twisting the meaning of
the intended ballot and often putting up ballots on your own initiative
before the initiatives were fully edited to your distaste.

> 
> These proposals in themselves have been the source of considerable heat
> (and incivility) in the IDNO and as a result no civil discourse rules have
> so far been ratified.

As stated before, The ORSC Rules of Civil Discourse were adopted by an
overwhelming majority of the IDNO SC members and unanamously I might add.
You, as the Hitler of the IDNO with sole access to it's announce
mechanisms and website and membership list (even blatantly and
repeatedly denying the membership committee access to the membership list)
refused to allow the enactment of those civil discourse rules - because
you wanted to use the ones that you wrote.

> A membership wide vote on the merits of the ORSC rules (enforcement by
> respected moderators) vs.  the IDNO rules (enforcement by majority vote) is
> likely to be held shortly.

Only if you are certain to fenagle the adoption of the rules you wrote.
The ORSC Rules of Civil Discourse are what is now in effect until such
time that a charter is ratified, but that is not what you want so you will
not permit the passwords out to moderators. 

You are guilty of attempted censorship yourself! You demanded on the
IDNO's SC list that Joe Abley remove Crisp and Crock and JW on no one's
authority but your own - and you have never even been a member of the SC
YOU HAD NO AUTHORITY TO DO SO!!!

>  
> The result of having no rules or no enforcement is that the uncivil can
> drive out the civil on a list.

Er... what you meant to say was divide and conquer. Yes, it did work to
your advantage in the IDNO by destroying it and running off all of the
people that gave it it's legitimacy. You were most effective at that Joop
Teernstra.

> This is also a form of censorship, even if it may not be readily recognized
> as such.

And you continue to use it to your advantage every single day within your
own little empire that is now widely known as either the JDNO or the Joop
Fan Club.


Same on you Joop Teernstra. Shame on your fascist principles too.