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Re: [ga] Attention: Frank Risso

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Subject: Re: [ga] Attention: Frank Risso
From: Bob Davis <bob.davis@netzero.net>
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 21:21:25 -0800
CC: DNSO listadmin <DNSO.Listadmin@dnso.org>, Becky Burr <bburr@ntia.doc.gov>, Eric Menge <Eric.Menge@sba.gov>, Esther Dyson <edyson@edventure.com>, "Louis_L._Touton" <Louis_L._Touton@jonesday.com>
Organization: INEG. Inc. VP Marketing INEGroup-West Director
References: <19991203193543.003f65f0.in@mail.lima.net.pe> <384890E2.71020C2@ix.netcom.com>
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Jeff, Javier and all DNSO'ers,

  I believe this exchange should be shared with the list for
their edification so as to be as open as possible.  So I am
including them in my response here.

  I am in agreement with Jeff's comments here Javier,
and strongly believe in the sprit of the White Paper
as well as the MoU that we should strive to be
inclusive in our deliberations and discussions as many
also seem to feel.  I am sure that you feel the same,
but sometimes you seem to equivocate as Jeff has
pointed out in his comments below.  I would be interested,
as I am sure others would, just why that might be, Javier?

Jeff Williams wrote:

> Javier,
>
> Javier Rodriguez wrote:
>
> > Dear Jeff:
> >
> > You are doing some mistakes.
>
>   As you say, show me some "Meat".  What mistakes are you referring
> to Javier?
>
> >
> >
> > a) I have been trying to be polite.  I have wrote perfectly clear
> >      english.  It is your fault if you read too fast and type too fast,
> >      relax, take a breath and READ next time.  Next time I will
> >      not say "excuse me" I will say "READ with calm"... ok ?
> >      is it clear now ?
>
>   I always read with calm Javier.  Even when it is obvious that what
> I am reading is basically without merit.  It is and has been my habit
> for many years.
>
> >
> > b) You are using the same style, almost the same words and
> >       the same thoughts that David, Bob and other fellows... and
> >      all your messages arrive at the same time... why ?
>
>   I see no similarity in style between myself, Bob, and David.
> In our disgust collectively, as others such as Mikki Berry, Karl
> Auerbach, Roeland Mayer, and I could go on and on, we share
> many of the same ideas and thoughts about this malignant and skewed
> process that you yourself have stated to me privately before..
> So I ask you Javier, why are you playing both sides of the fence
> here?  What are YOU afraid of?  Is honesty and truth fearful to you
> to be out in the open perhaps?  I hope not.  I don't believe you do
> fear this.  We shall see...  Do not delude yourself that you can
> hide Javier, you cannot.  If you remember several days ago, I
> told you some of your ISOC members in Peru are also INEGroup
> members.  We can find out anything about you we wish, anytime
> we wish...  Keep that in mind, ok?  Everything you say, write,
> and do can be disclosed or become public if that becomes
> necessary.  I hope it will not.  Everything I post is public
> for all to see and read.  So it is true with you, whether
> you know it or not.
>
> >
> > c) I have wrote in private to you.  I ask you to keep this in private
> >     because your personal situation or the situation of 2,000 of
> >     your members dont have to goes against the common sense:
> >     "your rigths finish where my rigths start".  Got it ?
>
>   We have over 98,000 members Javier, not 2,000.  And yes
> my rights do not supersede yours, even though you are not
> a US citizen.  But I am a US citizen, and as such, I have
> rights that you may or do not.  ICANN is a US non-profit
> company registered in the state of California for the moment.
> Therefore if they or the DNSO which is a part of ICANN
> does not adhere to the laws of the United States of America
> they can and will be brought to the understanding that they must!
> Do you understand this?  I hope so.
>
> >
> >
> > Yours truly,
> >
> > Javier
> >
> > At 12/3/99 6:00:00 PM, you wrote:
> > >Javier and all,
> > >
> > >  Well you are left wit only one viable choice Javier,  and that is to
> > >get yourself a translator.  Although I don't support or believe that
> > >language should be a barrier, given the ICANN Boards edict that
> > >english will be the "Official" language for this convoluted and illegitimate
> > >process, this seem to me to be your only choice.  So to use your lack
> > >of understanding the English language as a reason points up the FACT,
> > >that you were ill prepared or qualified to be a "Watchdog".
> > >
> > >Javier Rodriguez wrote:
> > >
> > >> Jeff,
> > >>
> > >> I have said "There can be MANY reasons why your nomination
> > >> >> is not accepted,..."
> > >>
> > >> Excuse me for my broken english.  I think that "ther can be" means
> > >> "there is the probability of MANY reasons...", it doesnt mean "There IS
> > >> many reasons....".
> > >>
> > >> Again I apologize about my not perfect english.
> > >>
> > >> Javier
> > >>
> > >> At 12/2/99 6:07:00 PM, you wrote:
> > >> >Javier and all,
> > >> >
> > >> >  If there are so many reasons why Franks Nomination
> > >> >request was not excepted why didn't you outline the in
> > >> >this response, hummm?  And why as you promised to do,
> > >> >are so many DNSO GA members unable to make nominations
> > >> >still?  SELECTIVE CENSORSHIP perhaps?  I think so...  Others
> > >> >do as well and growing in numbers...
> > >> >
> > >> >Javier Rodriguez wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> I say the next as a watchdog committee member,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Dear Frank,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Your case is the first one of one person saying that
> > >> >> your are proposing some name and you are not
> > >> >> able to nominated him.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I have asked you privately some things to help you
> > >> >> on your intention to nominate some person.  But maybe
> > >> >> I have not been able to help you in a clear way.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Ok, lets do it in a public way so not only me can help you,
> > >> >> and so other people can learn from this particular situation.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I ask you to send your nomitation FOLLOWING the
> > >> >> official form that is posted on the DNSO.ORG website.
> > >> >> AND, please, at the same time do a copy (CC) to me.
> > >> >> My email is jrl@mail.lima.net.pe
> > >> >>
> > >> >> There can be MANY reasons why your nomination
> > >> >> is not accepted, but the first thing that WE need to do
> > >> >> is to certify that your nomination has been done in the
> > >> >> correct form, send to the correct email address, and
> > >> >> from that point we can check what other factors or
> > >> >> elements are not allowing you can present this
> > >> >> nomination.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Regards,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Javier
> > >> >> (I ask to any other guy (or girl) that have problem sending
> > >> >> a nomination, send a CC copy to me, in this way I can
> > >> >> follow each case).
> > >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> >> Javier Rodriguez                     jrl@mail.lima.net.pe
> > >> >> AXISNET                                    VicePresident
> > >> >> Peruvian Association of Internet Users and ISPs
> > >> >> Other duties: ECOMLAC      ISOC -PERU      IPCE
> > >> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> >
> > >> >Regards,
> > >> >
> > >> >--
> > >> >Jeffrey A. Williams
> > >> >Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!)
> > >> >CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> > >> >Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > >> >E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> > >> >Contact Number:  972-447-1894
> > >> >Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> Javier Rodriguez                     jrl@mail.lima.net.pe
> > >> AXISNET                                    VicePresident
> > >> Peruvian Association of Internet Users and ISPs
> > >> Other duties: ECOMLAC      ISOC -PERU      IPCE
> > >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >--
> > >Jeffrey A. Williams
> > >Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!)
> > >CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> > >Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > >E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> > >Contact Number:  972-447-1894
> > >Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Javier Rodriguez                     jrl@mail.lima.net.pe
> > AXISNET                                    VicePresident
> > Peruvian Association of Internet Users and ISPs
> > Other duties: ECOMLAC      ISOC -PERU      IPCE
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!)
> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> Contact Number:  972-447-1894
> Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208

Bob Davis...

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