RE: [ga] DNSO ICANN board member

[Jefsey Morfin <jefsey@wanadoo.fr>]

I accept that Alf has a real problem in understanding 2000:
we should show him the way in understanding 1939: at that
time and ever before and ever since Norway was on our side
and I am sure that Simon realizes he went too far.

But, Alf, this terribly wrong remark of Simon, show you up
where exasperation of people may go in front of a systematic
denial of reality. You realize how your position leads people
towards alt.root?

Let assume things go the way you want, will you send a cop
to every family in Norway to check they do use Windows
default root address? Will you stop avery Linux machine now
the $10 ".gnu" TLD has been refused and will be soon installed.
Will you call on teachers, parents, police and army to stop
youths when the ".mp3" becomes operational?

Then what happens when Bill Gates decides that default is
now the MS-Root? Will you commit suicide? We would not
like that, Alf! Please stay with us...
Jefsey

At 01:37 05/09/00, you wrote:
>At 10:38 PM 9/4/00 +0200, Alf Hansen wrote:
>
>OK. You will force all .NO domain name holders to host their domains on 
>USG-root DNS servers (that's the most you can ever hope to do). It's 
>likely that those DNS servers will also host additional TLDs as they are 
>outside your direct control. You will police those DNS servers and remove 
>all .NO domains that are not hosted "properly". Everyone who doesn't agree 
>with you is forced to go elsewhere and use another TLD. If they choose a 
>non-USG-root TLD you have successfully managed to create new alt.root 
>customers.
>
>Yeah, it sounds just like Europe in 1939. It makes me wonder what will 
>happen in Norway to all those using the .KOSHER TLD.
>
>>Roeland,
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Roeland M.J. Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@MHSC.com]
>> > Sent: 4. september 2000 19:20
>> > To: Alf.Hansen@uninett.no; ga@dnso.org
>> > Subject: RE: [ga] DNSO ICANN board member
>> >
>> >
>> > > From: Alf Hansen [mailto:Alf.Hansen@uninett.no]
>> > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 10:50 PM
>> >
>> > > > From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of Simon
>> > > > Higgs
>> > > > Sent: 4. september 2000 00:22
>> >
>> > > > >And this I don't like.
>> > > >
>> > > > I agree. But certain facts of life are here to stay:
>> > > >
>> > > > 1. Alt.roots have been created as a direct result of:
>> > > ...
>> > >
>> > > Alt.roots should not be created unless they follow the specs
>> > > defined by the
>> > > IETF and the IAB. If Alt. roots have been created for other
>> > > reasons, f.ex.
>> > > because some people disagree to certain aspects of
>> > > ICANN/IANA, the Alt.
>> > > roots should be abandoned.
>> >
>> > I will remind all and sundry that the three most useless phrases in the
>> > English language are "could've", "should've", and "would've",since they
>> > are all variations of reality denial. Following that, the most useless
>> > words are "could", "should", and "would", since they are all variations
>> > of wish petitioning or impotent opnionizing, unless one has direct power
>> > to follow through on them immediately. The ONLY thing that counts is
>> > what is happening RIGHT NOW!
>> >
>> > Other root-zones exist, with various flavors of success and
>> > implementation completion, right now. Wishing them away, won't make them
>> > go away. One must look at, and appreciate, the reality that caused them
>> > to exist in the first place.
>> >
>> > If you believe that the Alt.roots should not be created then stop them
>> > now, or quit your complaining, don't use them, or ignore them. Impotent
>> > venting of opinion is what we've had entirely too much of, these past
>> > four years.
>> >
>>
>>I have very limited power in this context. I will work for the establishment
>>of a contract between someone (probably ICANN) and the TLDs (perhaps an
>>identical contract for both gTLDs and ccTLDs) where operation an management
>>of the ICANN root servers will be included. In the contract(s) there should
>>("should" is all I can say for the moment...) be at least an identification
>>of the (13) ICANN root servers. And also some definition of quality of
>>service, responsibilities, contact points etc.
>>
>>I can then use my power as the manager of the .no ccTLD to sign this
>>contract (if the terms are acceptable), and thereby add some quality for the
>>general public in Norway using the .no domain. If other cc- and gTLDs do the
>>same, we will all have a better Internet service, because we are using the
>>unique a.root, as the IAB specifies.
>>
>>Using alt.roots should be abandoned in the contract. Unless otherwise agreed
>>between both parties.
>>
>>Is this unfair? I don't think so.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Alf H
>>
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>
>Best Regards,
>
>Simon Higgs
>
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