RE: [ga] DNSO ICANN board member

[Simon Higgs <simon@higgs.com>]

At 04:05 AM 9/5/00 +0200, Jefsey Morfin wrote:

Jefsey has a point. I apologize to anyone I've offended. I am European too 
which is why I used the analogy. The point was not to offend, but to ensure 
that period of history was never repeated by what is being done here.

However, I strongly reiterate that wrong answers to questions now can lead 
(even innocently) to a wrong conclusion - and that will have a profound 
consequence in the future if not properly checked.

The IAB have attempted to check the alt.root movement by publishing 
RFC2826, but it falls short. I'll explain why soon.

>I accept that Alf has a real problem in understanding 2000:
>we should show him the way in understanding 1939: at that
>time and ever before and ever since Norway was on our side
>and I am sure that Simon realizes he went too far.
>
>But, Alf, this terribly wrong remark of Simon, show you up
>where exasperation of people may go in front of a systematic
>denial of reality. You realize how your position leads people
>towards alt.root?
>
>Let assume things go the way you want, will you send a cop
>to every family in Norway to check they do use Windows
>default root address? Will you stop avery Linux machine now
>the $10 ".gnu" TLD has been refused and will be soon installed.
>Will you call on teachers, parents, police and army to stop
>youths when the ".mp3" becomes operational?
>
>Then what happens when Bill Gates decides that default is
>now the MS-Root? Will you commit suicide? We would not
>like that, Alf! Please stay with us...
>Jefsey
>
>At 01:37 05/09/00, you wrote:
>>At 10:38 PM 9/4/00 +0200, Alf Hansen wrote:
>>
>>OK. You will force all .NO domain name holders to host their domains on 
>>USG-root DNS servers (that's the most you can ever hope to do). It's 
>>likely that those DNS servers will also host additional TLDs as they are 
>>outside your direct control. You will police those DNS servers and remove 
>>all .NO domains that are not hosted "properly". Everyone who doesn't 
>>agree with you is forced to go elsewhere and use another TLD. If they 
>>choose a non-USG-root TLD you have successfully managed to create new 
>>alt.root customers.
>>
>>Yeah, it sounds just like Europe in 1939. It makes me wonder what will 
>>happen in Norway to all those using the .KOSHER TLD.
>>
>>>Roeland,
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Roeland M.J. Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@MHSC.com]
>>> > Sent: 4. september 2000 19:20
>>> > To: Alf.Hansen@uninett.no; ga@dnso.org
>>> > Subject: RE: [ga] DNSO ICANN board member
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > From: Alf Hansen [mailto:Alf.Hansen@uninett.no]
>>> > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 10:50 PM
>>> >
>>> > > > From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of Simon
>>> > > > Higgs
>>> > > > Sent: 4. september 2000 00:22
>>> >
>>> > > > >And this I don't like.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I agree. But certain facts of life are here to stay:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 1. Alt.roots have been created as a direct result of:
>>> > > ...
>>> > >
>>> > > Alt.roots should not be created unless they follow the specs
>>> > > defined by the
>>> > > IETF and the IAB. If Alt. roots have been created for other
>>> > > reasons, f.ex.
>>> > > because some people disagree to certain aspects of
>>> > > ICANN/IANA, the Alt.
>>> > > roots should be abandoned.
>>> >
>>> > I will remind all and sundry that the three most useless phrases in the
>>> > English language are "could've", "should've", and "would've",since they
>>> > are all variations of reality denial. Following that, the most useless
>>> > words are "could", "should", and "would", since they are all variations
>>> > of wish petitioning or impotent opnionizing, unless one has direct power
>>> > to follow through on them immediately. The ONLY thing that counts is
>>> > what is happening RIGHT NOW!
>>> >
>>> > Other root-zones exist, with various flavors of success and
>>> > implementation completion, right now. Wishing them away, won't make them
>>> > go away. One must look at, and appreciate, the reality that caused them
>>> > to exist in the first place.
>>> >
>>> > If you believe that the Alt.roots should not be created then stop them
>>> > now, or quit your complaining, don't use them, or ignore them. Impotent
>>> > venting of opinion is what we've had entirely too much of, these past
>>> > four years.
>>> >
>>>
>>>I have very limited power in this context. I will work for the establishment
>>>of a contract between someone (probably ICANN) and the TLDs (perhaps an
>>>identical contract for both gTLDs and ccTLDs) where operation an management
>>>of the ICANN root servers will be included. In the contract(s) there should
>>>("should" is all I can say for the moment...) be at least an identification
>>>of the (13) ICANN root servers. And also some definition of quality of
>>>service, responsibilities, contact points etc.
>>>
>>>I can then use my power as the manager of the .no ccTLD to sign this
>>>contract (if the terms are acceptable), and thereby add some quality for the
>>>general public in Norway using the .no domain. If other cc- and gTLDs do the
>>>same, we will all have a better Internet service, because we are using the
>>>unique a.root, as the IAB specifies.
>>>
>>>Using alt.roots should be abandoned in the contract. Unless otherwise agreed
>>>between both parties.
>>>
>>>Is this unfair? I don't think so.
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>Alf H
>>>
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>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>Simon Higgs
>>
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Simon Higgs

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