RE: Consensus vs Voting (RE: [ga] DNSO General Assembly call to c hange seating rule)

["Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@verisign.com>]

What I was trying to say was that according to the bylaws, the NC itself
does not form consensus.  It is tasked with managing the consensus building
process.  Once a recommendation is made by one of the DNSO groups, it has to
evaluate whether or not it convinced that consensus was reached.  To do so
requires that 2/3 of the NC members are convinced.

Working groups are made up of GA members, including Constituency members.
So if the process is working as it is supposed to, GA members should have
input into the consensus process.  To the degree that a working group
establishes (documents) whether or not a consensus was reached, the GA would
have influence through its members.  But the GA is clearly not represented
on the NC when it makes its evaluation of whether or not consensus was
attained.

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Davis [mailto:bob.davis@netzero.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 9:51 PM
To: Roeland Meyer
Cc: 'Gomes, Chuck'; 'Kent Crispin'; ga@dnso.org
Subject: Re: Consensus vs Voting (RE: [ga] DNSO General Assembly call to
c hange seating rule)


Mr. Meyer and everyone,

  No I don't believe he is.  Mr. Gomes, I believe this question is
directed at you.  Could you please publicly answer this question?

Roeland Meyer wrote:

> Are you saying that the GA had any voice in any NC member?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@verisign.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 3:48 PM
> > To: 'Roeland Meyer'; 'Kent Crispin'; ga@dnso.org
> > Subject: RE: Consensus vs Voting (RE: [ga] DNSO General
> > Assembly call to
> > c hange seating rule)
> >
> >
> > Roeland,
> >
> > As Kent already pointed out, NC members are elected by the
> > constituencies.
> > They are definitely not appointed by the board.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roeland Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 12:53 PM
> > To: 'Kent Crispin'; ga@dnso.org
> > Subject: RE: Consensus vs Voting (RE: [ga] DNSO General
> > Assembly call to
> > c hange seating rule)
> >
> >
> > 1) We don't elect NC members, that much is obvious. We tried
> > and we failed.
> > The ICANN BoD appointed whomever they want, regardless of the
> > wishes of the
> > GA. That record is clear.
> >
> > 2) There is no impeachement mechanism that works. If there
> > is, show it to
> > me.
> >
> > 3) The NC is an appointed body, not an elected one. The ICANN
> > BoD is the
> > sole appointer. GA NC elections are meaningless.
> >
> > Kent, you knew all of the above when you posted. You lie.
> > However, this is
> > the most egregious lie that I have ever seen you make. You
> > are usually not
> > this obvious. Are you feeling well? Or, perhaps you are
> > feeling too well.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kent Crispin [mailto:kent@songbird.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 9:20 AM
> > > To: ga@dnso.org
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus vs Voting (RE: [ga] DNSO General
> > > Assembly call to
> > > change seating rule)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 11, 2000 at 10:51:13PM +0800, YJ Park wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Who is going to paly a check and balance role for NC?
> > >
> > > The checks and balances on the NC are the standard checks and
> > > balances on
> > > *any* elected body -- if you don't like what your
> > representatives do,
> > > you don't re-elect them, or, in the worst case, you impeach them.
> > > That's perfectly normal; there isn't any particular mystery
> > about the
> > > NC in this regard.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kent Crispin                               "Be good, and you will be
> > > kent@songbird.com                           lonesome." -- Mark Twain
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