RE: [ga] Austerity measures

["L Gallegos" <jandl@jandl.com>]

On 14 May 2001, at 18:21, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote:

> I'm sorry, but I simply cannot imagine how it can take this much time to
> maintain a list.  We have dozens here at the law school, and they don't
> take anything close to that amount of time.

Unless the Secretariat is reading every message (totally unnecessary) I 
cannot see spending more than a few minutes on all the lists combined, 
if at all on a daily basis.  Spending twenty hours to set up six lists 
boggles the mind, IMO.  Unless there is a tremendous amount of 
moderation going on (by the Secretariat and not the list monitors), 
these numbers just don't compute.  Even with list monitoring, it doesn't 
compute.

Leah

> 
> On Tue, 15 May 2001, Alexander Svensson wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Roberto Gaetano wrote on 14.05.01, 21:11:26:
> > > I would second Roeland's comment below:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>I share the incredulity... the answer is ... not much. Especially
> > >>considering that the ga-full is not moderated. It was the compromise
> > >>that enabled moderation on the GA list.
> > >
> > > I think that the NC should reconsider the matter, because closing down
> > > the GA-full will definitively destabilize the compromise achieved one
> > > year ago. The idea to restart from scratch the whole discussion about
> > > monitoring and censorship, right now that we seem to start making some
> > > progress, is frightening.
> > 
> > I have listened to the Names Council teleconference
> > meeting (thanks, Bret!), and it turns out that,
> > according to the Secretariat, the setup time for 
> > the five new GA sublists was about *twenty* hours of 
> > secretariat work, the typical maintenance costs are about 
> > *two* hours per day (Philip Sheppard referring to figures by
> > Elisabeth Porteneuve, DNSO Secretariat; unfortunately it 
> > is very much at the end of the 14 MB audio file Bret Fausett 
> > recorded).
> >   http://www.lextext.com/nc05092001.html
> > 
> > If you listen to the NC discussion of the issue, you 
> > will probably /not/ get the impression that this is a ploy
> > to silence the uncomfortable voices or something alike
> > [just to make sure: I'm obviously not addressing Roberto
> > here!]. Philip Sheppard: "As I understand, for reasons of
> > history, there are two main GA lists, one of which was
> > designed to be entirely open, the other one was moderated.
> > The one [list] that is moderated is the one that is used 
> > by hundreds, and the one that's entirely open tends to 
> > be used as a duplicate list and has a current subscription 
> > of about ten; and I was wondering if it was not time, in 
> > terms of being pragmatic, to suggest the closure of that 
> > list in light of these new five, which would save a 
> > little bit of administrative time." The other NC members 
> > agreed.
> > 
> > This said, I agree with Roberto that the GA-full list should 
> > be continued nonetheless. I would assume that any tasks 
> > connected with archiving and dealing with subscriptions 
> > are much more time-consuming for all the other lists. The 
> > GA-full has very few subscribers and, as Roberto mentions, 
> > the fact that it is unmoderated should make the administration
> > even easier. There is little to be gained moneywise, 
> > but there is a real risk of returning to an earlier point and 
> > state of discussion which we had hoped to have gotten past.
> > 
> > I ask Philip and the other NC members to reconsider this step,
> > especially as it is indeed the /moderation/ which requires 
> > extra work:
> >   http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc05/msg00301.html
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > /// Alexander
> > 
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