RE: [ga] rolling up the sleeves.

[Jefsey Morfin <jefsey@wanadoo.fr>]

Dear Peter,
We are talking for long about the Individual Domain Name Holder 
Constituency. Danny has introduced the Individual Constituency wording in a 
motion that Joop had corrected to indicate that IC was meaning IDNHC. I 
fought that confusion as I support the Internet User Constituency concept 
(i.e. people not having a DN as their use of the DNS shapes the DNS). These 
are the people Eric calls the "dotcommoners".

The positive point is that people in here - Bill, Joanna, Sotiris etc...- 
shown that Registrant Constituency was a better wording. I objected however 
that in such case bulk/large registrant issues should also be represented 
(I manage mre than 2000 DNs and it is proper nightmare).

IMO, the DNSO should be an open SO including:

- the gTLD, sTLD and ccTLD - what does not prevent them from forming their 
own SO.
- the Registrars
- the ISPs
- the Registrants (Bulk, and individual - what is the IDNH)
- the Internet Users
- the DNS tools developpers.

Jefsey

On 16:55 21/09/01, Peter de Blanc said:
>Perhaps I am confused here...
>
>The URL belo includes "/idno". Is that "Individual Domain Name Holders"?
>
>Are we talking about an "Individuals'" constituency or an "Individual
>Domain Name Holders'" constituency ?
>
>Peter de Blanc
>
>(still willing to support)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org] On Behalf Of Jeff
>Williams
>Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:15 AM
>To: Joop Teernstra
>Cc: ga@dnso.org
>Subject: Re: [ga] rolling up the sleeves.
>
>
>Joop and all assembly members,
>
>Joop Teernstra wrote:
>
> > Danny and all,
> >
> > In case people are not aware of this , I presented a draft Charter for
>
> > an Individuals' Constituency at the GA meeting in Montevideo.
> >
> > Peter the Blanc was looking for a proposal to put his name under,
> > perhaps there are other GA members who would want to indicate their
> > broad support for such a Charter by affixing their name to it.
> >
> > www.democracy.org.nz/idno/ICcharter.htm
> >
> > Constructive criticism is most welcome.  We can discuss improvements
> > on the GA-icann sublist.
>
>   I think on this list is sufficient...  The sublist, which of late have
>hardly been used, are and always have been divisive and a basic
>distraction to all of the assembly members.
>
>   Here are the specific problems I see with your IC Charter:
>From: http://www.democracy.org.nz/idno/ICcharter.htm
>
>4.1. IC constituency membership is open to any person who
>is an individual domain name holder
>
>4.2 An Individual Domain Name Holder is any person who
>can demonstrate a level of control over a specified domain name that a
>reasonable person would conclude grants the individual person the
>exclusive legal right to exploit the specified domain name worldwide
>subject to applicable laws.
>
>      " Examples of items that may be submitted in support of an
>application include but are not limited to
>       (i) evidence of applicants name on domain contact information
>       (ii) evidence of applicant's funds used to pay registration fees,
>if any
>       (iii) evidence that the applicant may cause the domain name to be
>relinquished
>       (iv) evidence that the applicant is the beneficial holder of any
>domain name that is registered or operated by a third party
>       (v) Where the applicant does not hold direct control over t he
>domain name, written evidence must be provided that the controlling
>party is acting on instructions of the beneficial holder and that such
>instructions may be withdrawn at the applicant's sole discretion."
>
>   These requirements would restrict membership to only Domain Name
>owners/holders that have registered a Domain Name as and individual or a
>third party that is holding that Domain name in the intended registrants
>or otherwise holders name, or provide evidence to such.
>
>   Given this bias restriction, to call this proposed constituency a "IC"
>or Individuals Constituency is misleading at best...
>
> >
> >
> > I am especially interested to hear comment on the funding idea's
> > presented there (a fourth level nnn.members.icann.org domain name for
> > all members of this constituency as real value for the proposed $12
> > membership fee.)
>
>   I think you are going to have trouble for funding something called an
>"Individuals Constituency" when it does not represent any and all
>potential Individuals or stakeholders...
>
> >
> >
> > Better funding idea's are of course welcome too.
> >
> > --Joop
> >
> >
>
>Regards,
>--
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