Re: [ga] rolling up the sleeves.

[Eric Dierker <eric@hi-tek.com>]

Pardon me,

Nope it is not passive and it is not negotiable.  Individuals get a major vote
or there will be major nasty and negative consequences.  Yes it may take us a
year or it may take us three years but if you folks ruling this WWW internet
thing think that you can renege on your contract with DoC and your role with
IANA and certain papers and escaped unscathed you are wrong.

I am starting to get pissed off and realize that it may be better to work
outside of ICONN and hit it broadside like our friend Conant the destroyer.
Not one official has come forth and asked for a dotcommoner point of view.
Does anyone else know who else they may be getting it from, and if not that
means they ain't getting it.

Eric

Jefsey Morfin wrote:

> Dear Peter,
> We are talking for long about the Individual Domain Name Holder
> Constituency. Danny has introduced the Individual Constituency wording in a
> motion that Joop had corrected to indicate that IC was meaning IDNHC. I
> fought that confusion as I support the Internet User Constituency concept
> (i.e. people not having a DN as their use of the DNS shapes the DNS). These
> are the people Eric calls the "dotcommoners".
>
> The positive point is that people in here - Bill, Joanna, Sotiris etc...-
> shown that Registrant Constituency was a better wording. I objected however
> that in such case bulk/large registrant issues should also be represented
> (I manage mre than 2000 DNs and it is proper nightmare).
>
> IMO, the DNSO should be an open SO including:
>
> - the gTLD, sTLD and ccTLD - what does not prevent them from forming their
> own SO.
> - the Registrars
> - the ISPs
> - the Registrants (Bulk, and individual - what is the IDNH)
> - the Internet Users
> - the DNS tools developpers.
>
> Jefsey
>
> On 16:55 21/09/01, Peter de Blanc said:
> >Perhaps I am confused here...
> >
> >The URL belo includes "/idno". Is that "Individual Domain Name Holders"?
> >
> >Are we talking about an "Individuals'" constituency or an "Individual
> >Domain Name Holders'" constituency ?
> >
> >Peter de Blanc
> >
> >(still willing to support)
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org] On Behalf Of Jeff
> >Williams
> >Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:15 AM
> >To: Joop Teernstra
> >Cc: ga@dnso.org
> >Subject: Re: [ga] rolling up the sleeves.
> >
> >
> >Joop and all assembly members,
> >
> >Joop Teernstra wrote:
> >
> > > Danny and all,
> > >
> > > In case people are not aware of this , I presented a draft Charter for
> >
> > > an Individuals' Constituency at the GA meeting in Montevideo.
> > >
> > > Peter the Blanc was looking for a proposal to put his name under,
> > > perhaps there are other GA members who would want to indicate their
> > > broad support for such a Charter by affixing their name to it.
> > >
> > > www.democracy.org.nz/idno/ICcharter.htm
> > >
> > > Constructive criticism is most welcome.  We can discuss improvements
> > > on the GA-icann sublist.
> >
> >   I think on this list is sufficient...  The sublist, which of late have
> >hardly been used, are and always have been divisive and a basic
> >distraction to all of the assembly members.
> >
> >   Here are the specific problems I see with your IC Charter:
> >From: http://www.democracy.org.nz/idno/ICcharter.htm
> >
> >4.1. IC constituency membership is open to any person who
> >is an individual domain name holder
> >
> >4.2 An Individual Domain Name Holder is any person who
> >can demonstrate a level of control over a specified domain name that a
> >reasonable person would conclude grants the individual person the
> >exclusive legal right to exploit the specified domain name worldwide
> >subject to applicable laws.
> >
> >      " Examples of items that may be submitted in support of an
> >application include but are not limited to
> >       (i) evidence of applicants name on domain contact information
> >       (ii) evidence of applicant's funds used to pay registration fees,
> >if any
> >       (iii) evidence that the applicant may cause the domain name to be
> >relinquished
> >       (iv) evidence that the applicant is the beneficial holder of any
> >domain name that is registered or operated by a third party
> >       (v) Where the applicant does not hold direct control over t he
> >domain name, written evidence must be provided that the controlling
> >party is acting on instructions of the beneficial holder and that such
> >instructions may be withdrawn at the applicant's sole discretion."
> >
> >   These requirements would restrict membership to only Domain Name
> >owners/holders that have registered a Domain Name as and individual or a
> >third party that is holding that Domain name in the intended registrants
> >or otherwise holders name, or provide evidence to such.
> >
> >   Given this bias restriction, to call this proposed constituency a "IC"
> >or Individuals Constituency is misleading at best...
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am especially interested to hear comment on the funding idea's
> > > presented there (a fourth level nnn.members.icann.org domain name for
> > > all members of this constituency as real value for the proposed $12
> > > membership fee.)
> >
> >   I think you are going to have trouble for funding something called an
> >"Individuals Constituency" when it does not represent any and all
> >potential Individuals or stakeholders...
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Better funding idea's are of course welcome too.
> > >
> > > --Joop
> > >
> > >
> >
> >Regards,
> >--
> >Jeffrey A. Williams
> >Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 118k members strong!)
> >CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> >Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> >Contact Number:  972-447-1800 x1894 or 214-244-4827
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> >
> >
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