Re: [ga] The "mushroom treatment"....

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Eric and all assembly members,

  Perhaps taking your own advice of not attacking the messenger
but rather the message is in order.  From the book of judges,
I don't remember the exact chapter # or verse # off hand:
"Judge not yet ye be judged sayith the lord"...

  Although your listed attributes are interesting, I am sure I don't believe it
in it's entirety.  "Green Paper indeed"!  You need to do much more
studying Eric.  Theologists are a dime a dozen.  Not all that impressive.
I did not see you listed in the ASA either.

Eric Dierker wrote:

> Funny your reference to the time period spent by myself;
>
> For a man who has obviously not obtained degrees in matters such as
> Philosophy and Law with equal time spent studying business and
> psychology, who has no marketing education and has no license in
> theology you presume much by criticizing my perspective on corporate
> constitutional and social matters.  I suggest that my 3,000 hours plus
> of studying your internet gives me more than license to invade your
> culture.  Especially since a good 100 of it has been spent
> researching your posts and the related subject matter.
>
> Please do not mistake my humbleness for anything less than politeness.
> Naperville deserves nothing less, as my mother was born and raised there
> I understand their moral standards to be far above your technical ones.
>
> Do not assume to battle me in matters of policy and I will let your
> technical matters go as they deserve.
>
> I would never talk to a Newbie this way but you show here why your ilk
> is no match for the NC or BS.
>
> Attack the message not the messenger.  It makes you look bad otherwise.
>
> I make this contribution to the entire group you ccd.  Because it is
> important that while you all may be higher genius than folks like I, you
> have not the genius in the human condition and fall well short of your
> mandate to take care of those of us less fortunate.  You have a
> responsibility not to act sanctimonious.  You have an obligation to act
> on our behalf and that requires consultation with those of us who know
> what that behalf is and is not.  How dare any and all of you act without
> regard to how and what we need (the user wants and needs), you make
> science
> an evil art to be endowed strictly to those who control it.
>
> {kind of harsh and a rant but take it easy and consider my quarter toned
> down, and thank all of you for your wonderful contributions}
>
> Sincerely,
> Eric
>
> Jim Fleming wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eric Dierker" <eric@hi-tek.com>
> > To: <ga@dnso.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:08 PM
> > Subject: [ga] Motion and request for amendment
> >
> > > I Eric Dierker, being a member of the GA of ICANN, hereby make motion
> > > that the GA agree, reach consensus and evidence by a vote, formal or
> > > otherwise, that the BC (business constituency within the DNSO of ICANN)
> > > is currently acting in direct contravention of the Green Papers the
> > > White Papers, all and amended contracts with the DoC (department of
> > > commerce of the US gov).....
> >
> > In my opinion, you might want to study the long history that lead up
> > to the founding of ICANN. You stated at the ICANN meeting that you
> > became an Internet user 18 months ago. That may make it hard to emcompass
> > the past 7 years of history and the years before 1995, where the small
> > circle of Jon Postel's cronies systematically controlled the allocation of
> > basic Internet resources through their combined government and educational
> > institution network, aided by a small group of corporate supporters who
> > realized they could make a lot of money, for doing very little, by supporting
> > that regime. That worked as long as the general public was given the
> > "mushroom treatment" (i.e. kept in the dark and fed manure).
> >
> > Here is a sample....
> > http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/11/20/interview.lynn.idg/index.html
> > "...ICANN's Lynn: No new domains anytime soon..."
> > ....
> > Q: If there are no technical impediments to adding top-level domains, would that essentially obligate you to do so?
> > A: No. We do have other responsibilities in creating a level playing field and a fair place for competition.
> > -----------------
> >
> > It all boils down to fairness.
> > Which list do you think is more fair ?
> > The "toy" IPv4 Internet Early Experimentation Allocations ?
> > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
> > or
> > The Proof-of-Concept IPv8 Allocations ?
> > http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
> >
> > People are now prepared to route around ICANN. Thanks to Microsoft,
> > all of the technology is in people's hands (via Windows XP) to break
> > free from the shackles of the Postel regime and to build a larger, more
> > open, and more free Internet, that all of the world's people can be proud of,
> > not just the small circle of insiders who have conspired for years to
> > control the allocation of Internet resources for their own financial gain.
> >
> > Jim Fleming
> > http://www.DOT-BIZ.com
> > http://www.in-addr.info
> > 3:219 INFO
> >
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Regards,

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