RE: [ga] Verisign removing expiration dates from WHOIS Data?

[Joanna Lane <jo-uk@rcn.com>]

Maybe because Verisign doesn't pay it's ICANN reps to work at 11.30pm on a
Sunday night?

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From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of Sotiris
Sotiropoulos
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:56 AM
To: genie@magi.net
Cc: ga@dnso.org
Subject: Re: [ga] Verisign removing expiration dates from WHOIS Data?


Why hasn't the Verisign rep in the DNSO responded to this
thread as yet?

Genie Livingstone wrote:
>
> Isn't  publishing domain expiration date =  direct violation of ICANN
> Registrar Accreditation Agreement??  ((But since when did Verisign care
> about some ICANN rules))
>
> (see Paragraph F-1-f )
>
> http://www.icann.org/nsi/icann-raa-04nov99.htm#IIF1a
>
> F. Public Access to Data on SLD Registrations. During the term of this
> Agreement:
>
> 1. At its expense, Registrar shall provide an interactive web page and a
> port 43 Whois service providing free public query-based access to
> up-to-date (i.e. updated at least daily) data concerning all active SLD
> registrations sponsored by Registrar in the registry for the .com, .net,
> and .org TLDs. The data accessible shall consist of elements that are
> designated from time to time according to an ICANN-adopted policy. Until
> ICANN otherwise specifies by means of an ICANN-adopted policy, this data
> shall consist of the following elements as contained in Registrar's
> database:
>
> a. The name of the SLD being registered and the TLD for which
> registration is being requested;
>
> b. The IP addresses of the primary nameserver and secondary
> nameserver(s) for the SLD;
>
> c. The corresponding names of those nameservers;
>
> d. The identity of Registrar (which may be provided through Registrar's
> website);
>
> e. The original creation date of the registration;
>
> f. The expiration date of the registration;
>
> g. The name and postal address of the SLD holder;
>
> h. The name, postal address, e-mail address, voice telephone number, and
> (where available) fax number of the technical contact for the SLD; and
>
> i. The name, postal address, e-mail address, voice telephone number, and
> (where available) fax number of the administrative contact for the SLD.
>
> Genie Livingstone
> eyeondomain.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Brown" <donbrown_l@inetconcepts.net>
> To: "George Kirikos" <gkirikos@yahoo.com>
> Cc: <ga@dnso.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 5:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [ga] Verisign removing expiration dates from WHOIS Data?
>
> > Moreover, if WLS becomes reality, it is a serious ICANN issue, since
> > there is no bottoms-up consensus to support it.
> >
> > There are those in favor, of course, but how many of them are
> > potential benefactors of new, found income from it? I'd guess that to
> > be the majority.
> >
> > It is interesting that VeriSign presents WLS as a way for it to help
> > grow business for the Registrars (per the press release/quote below),
> > but the Registrars who represent the majority of registrations have
> > taken a position in opposition to WLS. Could it be that those
> > Registrar's have noses that know the difference between chicken salad
> > and chicken S*&%? I'd guess it is so, as well.
> >
> > If WLS becomes reality, the expiration date is really a minor
> > consideration in the total scope of things.  There will be much bigger
> > fish to fry.
> >
> >
> > A quote from NewsBytes - http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/173564.html
> >
> >   But VeriSign spokeswoman Cheryl Regan contends that the demand for
> >   "recycled" domains is high enough that the service could provide a
> >   real boon to registrars.
> >
> >   "We're doing this as a way to help grow new business for
> >   registrars," Regan said.
> >
> > roflmao :-)
> >
> >
> > Saturday, March 16, 2002, 5:11:52 PM, George Kirikos
> <gkirikos@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > GK> Hello,
> >
> > GK> Take a look at the WHOIS for the domain name "auction-barn.com"
> >
> > GK>
> http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=auction-barn.com&Search
> Type=do
> >
> > GK> In particular:
> >
> > GK>    Record last updated on 15-Mar-2002.
> > GK>    Record created on 26-Jan-2000.
> > GK>    Database last updated on 16-Mar-2002 04:35:00 EST.
> >
> > GK> The "Record Expires" date is missing.
> >
> > GK> If VGRS goes ahead with WLS, this is a potentially serious issue,
> as
> > GK> consumers might be misled into purchasing WLS slots on names that
> > GK> expire years in the future, as they'd have no way of knowing when
> the
> > GK> name truly expires (let alone when it is released, even if it
> should be
> > GK> past expiry). Existing customers and domain owners would also not
> be
> > GK> able to check for sure when a name is due to expire, if they can't
> > GK> check the WHOIS on their own names.
> >
> > GK> Furthermore, aren't registrars required to show certain data
> elements
> > GK> in their WHOIS, as part of their accreditation contracts??
> >
> > GK> Sincerely,
> >
> > GK> George Kirikos
> > GK> http://www.kirikos.com/
> >
> >
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Sotiris Sotiropoulos
	Hermes Network Inc.
	Toronto, Canada

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