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Re: [ga] Verisign removing expiration dates from WHOIS Data?
The original message was sent on the 15th.
Joanna Lane wrote:
>
> Maybe because Verisign doesn't pay it's ICANN reps to work at 11.30pm on a
> Sunday night?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of Sotiris
> Sotiropoulos
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:56 AM
> To: genie@magi.net
> Cc: ga@dnso.org
> Subject: Re: [ga] Verisign removing expiration dates from WHOIS Data?
>
> Why hasn't the Verisign rep in the DNSO responded to this
> thread as yet?
>
> Genie Livingstone wrote:
> >
> > Isn't publishing domain expiration date = direct violation of ICANN
> > Registrar Accreditation Agreement?? ((But since when did Verisign care
> > about some ICANN rules))
> >
> > (see Paragraph F-1-f )
> >
> > http://www.icann.org/nsi/icann-raa-04nov99.htm#IIF1a
> >
> > F. Public Access to Data on SLD Registrations. During the term of this
> > Agreement:
> >
> > 1. At its expense, Registrar shall provide an interactive web page and a
> > port 43 Whois service providing free public query-based access to
> > up-to-date (i.e. updated at least daily) data concerning all active SLD
> > registrations sponsored by Registrar in the registry for the .com, .net,
> > and .org TLDs. The data accessible shall consist of elements that are
> > designated from time to time according to an ICANN-adopted policy. Until
> > ICANN otherwise specifies by means of an ICANN-adopted policy, this data
> > shall consist of the following elements as contained in Registrar's
> > database:
> >
> > a. The name of the SLD being registered and the TLD for which
> > registration is being requested;
> >
> > b. The IP addresses of the primary nameserver and secondary
> > nameserver(s) for the SLD;
> >
> > c. The corresponding names of those nameservers;
> >
> > d. The identity of Registrar (which may be provided through Registrar's
> > website);
> >
> > e. The original creation date of the registration;
> >
> > f. The expiration date of the registration;
> >
> > g. The name and postal address of the SLD holder;
> >
> > h. The name, postal address, e-mail address, voice telephone number, and
> > (where available) fax number of the technical contact for the SLD; and
> >
> > i. The name, postal address, e-mail address, voice telephone number, and
> > (where available) fax number of the administrative contact for the SLD.
> >
> > Genie Livingstone
> > eyeondomain.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Don Brown" <donbrown_l@inetconcepts.net>
> > To: "George Kirikos" <gkirikos@yahoo.com>
> > Cc: <ga@dnso.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 5:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ga] Verisign removing expiration dates from WHOIS Data?
> >
> > > Moreover, if WLS becomes reality, it is a serious ICANN issue, since
> > > there is no bottoms-up consensus to support it.
> > >
> > > There are those in favor, of course, but how many of them are
> > > potential benefactors of new, found income from it? I'd guess that to
> > > be the majority.
> > >
> > > It is interesting that VeriSign presents WLS as a way for it to help
> > > grow business for the Registrars (per the press release/quote below),
> > > but the Registrars who represent the majority of registrations have
> > > taken a position in opposition to WLS. Could it be that those
> > > Registrar's have noses that know the difference between chicken salad
> > > and chicken S*&%? I'd guess it is so, as well.
> > >
> > > If WLS becomes reality, the expiration date is really a minor
> > > consideration in the total scope of things. There will be much bigger
> > > fish to fry.
> > >
> > >
> > > A quote from NewsBytes - http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/173564.html
> > >
> > > But VeriSign spokeswoman Cheryl Regan contends that the demand for
> > > "recycled" domains is high enough that the service could provide a
> > > real boon to registrars.
> > >
> > > "We're doing this as a way to help grow new business for
> > > registrars," Regan said.
> > >
> > > roflmao :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > Saturday, March 16, 2002, 5:11:52 PM, George Kirikos
> > <gkirikos@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > GK> Hello,
> > >
> > > GK> Take a look at the WHOIS for the domain name "auction-barn.com"
> > >
> > > GK>
> > http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=auction-barn.com&Search
> > Type=do
> > >
> > > GK> In particular:
> > >
> > > GK> Record last updated on 15-Mar-2002.
> > > GK> Record created on 26-Jan-2000.
> > > GK> Database last updated on 16-Mar-2002 04:35:00 EST.
> > >
> > > GK> The "Record Expires" date is missing.
> > >
> > > GK> If VGRS goes ahead with WLS, this is a potentially serious issue,
> > as
> > > GK> consumers might be misled into purchasing WLS slots on names that
> > > GK> expire years in the future, as they'd have no way of knowing when
> > the
> > > GK> name truly expires (let alone when it is released, even if it
> > should be
> > > GK> past expiry). Existing customers and domain owners would also not
> > be
> > > GK> able to check for sure when a name is due to expire, if they can't
> > > GK> check the WHOIS on their own names.
> > >
> > > GK> Furthermore, aren't registrars required to show certain data
> > elements
> > > GK> in their WHOIS, as part of their accreditation contracts??
> > >
> > > GK> Sincerely,
> > >
> > > GK> George Kirikos
> > > GK> http://www.kirikos.com/
> > >
> > >
> > > GK> __________________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
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> Sincerely,
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> Hermes Network Inc.
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