Re: [ga] Reseller hiding WHOIS info

["Jon Lawrence" <jon@jonlawrence.com>]

Hey Eric

You should note that I was simply stating that ICANN have made some attempts
to enforce some of the clauses of the RAA.

Unlike yourself, I do not carry a predefined agenda that colours my view
of the world, so please stop making assumptions about the way I think.

I am not defending ICANN, simply stating a fact that I thought might be
of interest to the list.

As for Verisign and their .us application processes, I don't know why they
did what they did and I'm not going to defend them.

rgds
jon


>-- Original Message --
>From: eric@hi-tek.com
>Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 02:01:25 -0700
>To: jon@jonlawrence.com
>CC: ga@dnso.org
>Subject: Re: [ga] Reseller hiding WHOIS info
>
>
>Dear Jon,
>
>This little piece fits in with my earlier regarding notification from Versign
>regarding more info for a dotUS registration.
>
>It just shows a general pattern of really schlocky lousy business practice.
> What
>the hell ever happened to alpha and beta testing and making things click
>and run at
>a billion per second before letting them lose on the public.
>
>We are just about ready to transfer primary users of the net over to inclusive
>roots - if we even need them. Because these guys are truly toy companies
>dealing
>with a toy monopoly on a toy system where they do not have to worry about
>doing
>something right the first time.
>
>Get real and recognize that these guys suck raw eggs and bite the heads
of
>chickens.
>Enforcement?  ICANN cannot enforce its' own bylaws upon itself.  They lie
>and they
>cheat, and spend millions of dollars on lawyers to get away with it.  Your
>previous
>position sounds like????? I hope you at least got tips.
>
>Sincerely,
>Eric
>
>Jon Lawrence wrote:
>
>> ICANN have been attempting to enforce the clause in the RAA that requires
>> registrants to be given a copy of the registration agreement from the
registrar
>> of record for some time.
>>
>> In my previous position I personally received communications from ICANN
>> regarding resellers that were not in compliance with these requirements,
>> requested that we rectify the situation (which of course we did).
>>
>> I presume that ICANN does not have the resources required to effectively
>> enforce this requirement however they certainly appear to have the inclination
>> to do so...
>>
>> rgds
>> jon
>>
>> >-- Original Message --
>> >Reply-To: <dassa@dhs.org>
>> >From: "Dassa" <dassa@dhs.org>
>> >To: <ga@dnso.org>
>> >Subject: RE: [ga] Reseller hiding WHOIS info
>> >Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 08:06:56 +1000
>> >
>> >
>> >|> -----Original Message-----
>> >|> From: owner-ga-full@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga-full@dnso.org]
>> >|> On Behalf Of DannyYounger@cs.com
>> >|> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:41 AM
>> >|> To: ga@dnso.org
>> >|> Subject: Re: [ga] Reseller hiding WHOIS info
>> >|>
>> ><snip>
>> >|> In its recommendations that are being prepared to be submitted to
the
>> >House
>> >|> Judiciary's subcommittee on Courts, the Internet and Intellectual
>> >Property,
>> >|> the following are included:
>> >|>
>> >|> 8.  Give ICANN a litigation budget for contract enforcement
>> >|> 9.  Insert teeth into ICANN's agreements
>> >|>
>> >|> I am not alone in seeking enforcement mechanisms (as this industry
>> >report
>> >|> well notes) and my comments on "sanctions" should not be interpreted
>> >by you
>> >|> as indicative of an anti-registrar crusade.  Of what value are
>> >contracts if
>> >|> we lack the means to provide enforcement?
>> >|>
>> >|> The State of the Domain report is available at
>> >|> http://www.sotd.info/sotd/Content/Documents/sotdQ102.pdf
>> >|> --
>> >
>> >
>> >Might be a bit soon for ICANN to try and put muscle behind the
>> >contracts.  They are still attempting to get contracts signed and there
>> >is some resistance to moving into a contract with a body that only had
>> >tenacious agreement to start with, from what I see.
>> >
>> >Darryl (Dassa) Lynch.
>> >
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