Re: [ga] Names Policy Development Process

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Todd and all assembly members,

todd glassey wrote:

> I still think that ICANN's biggest political and technical hurdle to leap is
> really what to do about other ROOT's.This may seem like a simple business
> question but it has far reaching ramifications that stretch throughout the
> entirety of what we know as the Internet.

  ICANN and the other root structures have two choices really.
They can either work together and co-exist and still compete, or
they can be totally diverse.

>
>
> Further - it needs to be noted that ICANN can develop whatever it wants
> internally but if its processes are too oppressive and too painful to deal
> with, then these other ROOTS will certainly gain significant numbers of
> ICANN's existing customers and that is a serious issue to deal with.

  Agreed.

>
>
> ICANN's trying to stop the operations of these other ROOTS is equally
> problematic since it ***will*** result in law suits and like restraining
> orders against ICANN, its officers and its agents (the Registrars and the
> ASO members) from prohibiting these other roots from functioning. Restraint
> of Trade is a pretty easy claim to prove here under today's circumstances.

  Also agreed.

>
>
> As a simple example, I allege that it is possible that ICANN is playing
> antitrust by locking out other Internet Standards Processes and
> organizations. This is simply demonstrated by that IANA will not issue a
> system port except to an organization that has an IETF RFC number. So no one
> from ITU or any of the other standards orgs can submit anything for the
> issuance of a System Port on the Global Internet unless they play ICANN's
> PSO Game and that is clearly anti-trust since ICANN does not own the
> Internet.

  Yes this is an ever increasing problem that many seemed to have missed
to date.

> Which simply says, that without the IETF/IESG/IAB processes in
> place, nothing gets codified as an Internet Standard and personally that is
> the largest load of BS anywhere.
>
> --
>
> Another concept here is that the Domain Owners are more the friend of the
> Registrars than ICANN is, and if you don't believe me, then ask Verisign how
> many bodies to GoDaddy they lost because GoDaddy is more friendly to end
> users at the wallet level. And most of the Domain Registrars don't realize
> this yet because we spend so much time arguing about personal sh*t and not
> the goals of the group.
>
> Todd Glassey
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> To: <DannyYounger@cs.com>
> Cc: <ga@dnso.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 12:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [ga] Names Policy Development Process
>
> > Danny and all assembly members,
> >
> >   Yes it was very interesting reading in light of recent events, and
> > ongoing events.  I hope you took the liberty of passing this
> > response of yours on to the DOC/NTIA.  ??
> >
> > DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:
> >
> > > A document entitled "Names Policy Development Process Assistance Group:
> > > Preliminary Framework" has been released by the ERC's select Task Force:
> > > http://www.icann.org/committees/evol-reform/npdpag-report-26jul02.htm
> > >
> > > This task force consists of Rita A. Rodin (chair), Marilyn Cade,
> Guillermo
> > > Carey, Caroline Chicoine, Bret Fausett, Jeff Neuman, Bruce Tonkin and
> Philip
> > > Sheppard -- basically the same bunch of folks that have provided us with
> such
> > > wonderful policy guidance so far.
> > >
> > > We have already had the benefit of Working Group D... unfortunately, no
> one
> > > on the Council ever gave its recommendations anything more than lip
> service,
> > > and of course they have completely eliminated all working groups.
> > >
> > > We have already had the benefit of "Rules of Procedures for the DNSO
> Names
> > > Council" to govern policy development processes within task forces and
> > > working groups... unfortunately, no one on the Council even remembers
> these
> > > procedures, or what they're supposed to do when they convene a task
> force --
> > > they only write these rules to prove that they are busy doing something.
> > >
> > > And now we have the benefit of even more empty words regarding
> "timelines"
> > > and "opportunities for public input" by the very same people that have
> spent
> > > 10 months in a transfers task force accomplishing nothing related to
> > > transfers, that won't publish a timeline, and that have used every means
> at
> > > their disposal to keep interested parties out of their closed task
> forces.
> > >
> > > This document is just another sham to continue to foist these
> illegitimate,
> > > non-productive, and hardly-attended task forces upon us.   The phrase
> > > "working group" isn't even mentioned.  Open, bottom-up, and fully
> transparent
> > > is being replaced by closed, top-down, and non-transparent task force
> > > teleconferences where minutes aren't even posted.
> > >
> > > The only thing this group is accomplishing is preservation of the
> horribly
> > > failed status quo... and of course, they create the pretense that ICANN
> is
> > > actually involved in evolutionary reform so that the DoC will be
> pacified.
> > >
> > > Same old pretty-sounding words that we've all heard before, written with
> such
> > > a high level of generality as to be totally useless -- just like the
> current
> > > Names Council, and equally not surprising as almost every committee
> member is
> > > or was a Council rep.
> > >
> > > Garbage in, Garbage out.
> > >
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Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
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CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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