Re: [ga] Names Policy Development Process

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Eric and all stakeholders or other interested parties,

  Being "IN" rather than "Out" is in fact interaction, Eric.  In fact
Interaction is a derivative of the word "IN".

  Therefore the comment I made below, applies both ways or in
both directions.  ICANN has thus far chosen to be singular as
far as Root structures and IP addressing/registrys are concerned.

eric@hi-tek.com wrote:

> Respectfully I disagree that there is an either/or concept here.
> There are many shades of diversity and that is what makes life interesting.
> It is the concept that "you are either in or out" that causes most of our
> problems.
> A little less absolutism and a little more interaction would be a good thing.
> Sincerely,
> Eric
>
> Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> > Todd and all assembly members,
> >
> > todd glassey wrote:
> >
> > > I still think that ICANN's biggest political and technical hurdle to leap is
> > > really what to do about other ROOT's.This may seem like a simple business
> > > question but it has far reaching ramifications that stretch throughout the
> > > entirety of what we know as the Internet.
> >
> >   ICANN and the other root structures have two choices really.
> > They can either work together and co-exist and still compete, or
> > they can be totally diverse.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Further - it needs to be noted that ICANN can develop whatever it wants
> > > internally but if its processes are too oppressive and too painful to deal
> > > with, then these other ROOTS will certainly gain significant numbers of
> > > ICANN's existing customers and that is a serious issue to deal with.
> >
> >   Agreed.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > ICANN's trying to stop the operations of these other ROOTS is equally
> > > problematic since it ***will*** result in law suits and like restraining
> > > orders against ICANN, its officers and its agents (the Registrars and the
> > > ASO members) from prohibiting these other roots from functioning. Restraint
> > > of Trade is a pretty easy claim to prove here under today's circumstances.
> >
> >   Also agreed.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > As a simple example, I allege that it is possible that ICANN is playing
> > > antitrust by locking out other Internet Standards Processes and
> > > organizations. This is simply demonstrated by that IANA will not issue a
> > > system port except to an organization that has an IETF RFC number. So no one
> > > from ITU or any of the other standards orgs can submit anything for the
> > > issuance of a System Port on the Global Internet unless they play ICANN's
> > > PSO Game and that is clearly anti-trust since ICANN does not own the
> > > Internet.
> >
> >   Yes this is an ever increasing problem that many seemed to have missed
> > to date.
> >
> > > Which simply says, that without the IETF/IESG/IAB processes in
> > > place, nothing gets codified as an Internet Standard and personally that is
> > > the largest load of BS anywhere.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Another concept here is that the Domain Owners are more the friend of the
> > > Registrars than ICANN is, and if you don't believe me, then ask Verisign how
> > > many bodies to GoDaddy they lost because GoDaddy is more friendly to end
> > > users at the wallet level. And most of the Domain Registrars don't realize
> > > this yet because we spend so much time arguing about personal sh*t and not
> > > the goals of the group.
> > >
> > > Todd Glassey
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > > To: <DannyYounger@cs.com>
> > > Cc: <ga@dnso.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 12:56 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] Names Policy Development Process
> > >
> > > > Danny and all assembly members,
> > > >
> > > >   Yes it was very interesting reading in light of recent events, and
> > > > ongoing events.  I hope you took the liberty of passing this
> > > > response of yours on to the DOC/NTIA.  ??
> > > >
> > > > DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > A document entitled "Names Policy Development Process Assistance Group:
> > > > > Preliminary Framework" has been released by the ERC's select Task Force:
> > > > > http://www.icann.org/committees/evol-reform/npdpag-report-26jul02.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > This task force consists of Rita A. Rodin (chair), Marilyn Cade,
> > > Guillermo
> > > > > Carey, Caroline Chicoine, Bret Fausett, Jeff Neuman, Bruce Tonkin and
> > > Philip
> > > > > Sheppard -- basically the same bunch of folks that have provided us with
> > > such
> > > > > wonderful policy guidance so far.
> > > > >
> > > > > We have already had the benefit of Working Group D... unfortunately, no
> > > one
> > > > > on the Council ever gave its recommendations anything more than lip
> > > service,
> > > > > and of course they have completely eliminated all working groups.
> > > > >
> > > > > We have already had the benefit of "Rules of Procedures for the DNSO
> > > Names
> > > > > Council" to govern policy development processes within task forces and
> > > > > working groups... unfortunately, no one on the Council even remembers
> > > these
> > > > > procedures, or what they're supposed to do when they convene a task
> > > force --
> > > > > they only write these rules to prove that they are busy doing something.
> > > > >
> > > > > And now we have the benefit of even more empty words regarding
> > > "timelines"
> > > > > and "opportunities for public input" by the very same people that have
> > > spent
> > > > > 10 months in a transfers task force accomplishing nothing related to
> > > > > transfers, that won't publish a timeline, and that have used every means
> > > at
> > > > > their disposal to keep interested parties out of their closed task
> > > forces.
> > > > >
> > > > > This document is just another sham to continue to foist these
> > > illegitimate,
> > > > > non-productive, and hardly-attended task forces upon us.   The phrase
> > > > > "working group" isn't even mentioned.  Open, bottom-up, and fully
> > > transparent
> > > > > is being replaced by closed, top-down, and non-transparent task force
> > > > > teleconferences where minutes aren't even posted.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only thing this group is accomplishing is preservation of the
> > > horribly
> > > > > failed status quo... and of course, they create the pretense that ICANN
> > > is
> > > > > actually involved in evolutionary reform so that the DoC will be
> > > pacified.
> > > > >
> > > > > Same old pretty-sounding words that we've all heard before, written with
> > > such
> > > > > a high level of generality as to be totally useless -- just like the
> > > current
> > > > > Names Council, and equally not surprising as almost every committee
> > > member is
> > > > > or was a Council rep.
> > > > >
> > > > > Garbage in, Garbage out.
> > > > >
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> > Regards,
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
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Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
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CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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