Re: [ga] Casting stones

[Dan Steinberg <synthesis@videotron.ca>]

I agree with Ross. Just as there was no real harm and some possible good
from the GA taking a position a while back, there is no better forum to
discuss better design.  After all the better design...could be...a
revised ICANN.
The point at which someone starts to implement a better
structure....that is where divergence occurs.  Until then, I figure it
is extremely on-topic.

"Ross Wm. Rader" wrote:
> 
> > international) structures that can also achieve substantial buy-in.  I
> > think that is do-able. But this is not the forum for that discussion.
> 
> Where is that forum?
> 
> Better design can happen in parallel to the execution of existing
> instructions, but also remember that ad hoc solutions have a way of taking
> root while the "better" protocol is being designed....
> 
> -rwr
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <froomkin@law.miami.edu>
> To: "Thomas Roessler" <roessler@does-not-exist.org>
> Cc: "Gary Osbourne" <gro@direct.ca>; <DannyYounger@cs.com>; <ga@dnso.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [ga] Casting stones
> 
> > I think there are many other alternatives.  I agree that simply expecting
> > Congress to pull rabbits out of some hat and solve all these problems is
> > not realistic.  The challenge is to design better (and even more truly
> > international) structures that can also achieve substantial buy-in.  I
> > think that is do-able. But this is not the forum for that discussion.
> >
> > On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Thomas Roessler wrote:
> >
> > > On 2002-08-06 18:20:21 -0400, Michael Froomkin wrote:
> > >
> > > And what's your perspective for the future?  Replacing ICANN?  By
> > > what?  Direct government oversight over Verisign?  How realistic is
> > > that?
> > >
> > > All this talk about a re-bid, or about working around ICANN,
> > > ultimately boils down to the suggestion to replace the lobbyist
> > > battleground called ICANN by the lobbyist battleground called
> > > Capitol Hill.  Same players, different coast.  How's that an
> > > improvement?
> > >
> > > Bad enough, you don't seem to have any plans for the event that the
> > > battleground remains at the West Coast.  What's the NGO community
> > > going to do when ICANN reform actually happens, and the DoC renews
> > > the MoU?  Still continue to lobby for a "re-bid", focus on the meta
> > > level, and let Intellectual Property interests dominate part of the
> > > debate down on the detail levels where policy and architecture (*)
> > > are made?  (Yes, I know that things are more complicated.)
> > >
> > > As I wrote you earlier today: The argument that people don't listen
> > > is a hell of a lot more credible when you have said something. Not
> > > in year 1, but now.
> > >
> > > (*) Used like Lessig does it. Think, for instance, about thick vs.
> > > thin registry.  Thick registry does, in particular, mean that you
> > > can do some jurisdiction shopping as far as privacy of registrants
> > > is concerned.  That's much more difficult with a thin registry.
> > >
> >
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