Re: [ga] RE: self-organization

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Alf and all assembly members,

  As one whom has been a ICANN apologist for some time and of some
renown, it is not surprising that you were one of the folks "Selected"
for this "ERC Assistance Group" as it is called..  Given that you are
however
one that recognizes that the evolving and convoluting ICANN of late
is not a bottoms-up process helps gain some small amount of confidence
in your potential objectivity.  No doubt that that was one of the factors
in which you were selected for this dubious "ERC Assistance Group".

  However as the very process of "Selection" rather than election
or volunteer participation was not considered in essence puts this
"ERC Assistance Group" in some serious question as to it's
legitimacy in accordance with the White Paper and the MoU.
Hence any advice that you or any of the other "Selected"
members of this dubious group may provide and acted upon or
addressed in any serious manner will none the less only further fan the
fires of discontent, distrust, and dismay in the ICANN staff and BoD.

Alf Hansen wrote:

> Danny and all,
>
> Since my name was mentioned:
>
> I think it would have been better if the ccTLDs themselves had been
> asked to select their own representatives in the ERC Assistance Group,
> but they were not asked.
>
> Instead ICANN selcted the participants. In this context
>
> - I represent only myself.
> - I am only giving advise to ERC.
> - The ERC may choose to listen to the advises or not.
> - If they decide not to listen to the Assisteance Group, they have to
> make
>   visible to everyone why.
> - Since I and the other participants represent only ourselves in our
>   personal capacity (not the views of the ccTTLDs or other groups),
>   I do not see that this exercise is particulary useful. To pick a
>   few number of individuals to give serious advises influencing a large
>   numer of groups in the Internet, shows in my view very well that this
> is
>   not a bottom up process.
>
>   But since I believe in communication rather than boycott, I have
> offered
>   to participate.
> - In any case I and the other participants will not dictate anything.
>   We will give the ERC some advices. The ERC make the choises.
>
> Best regards,
> Alf H
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DannyYounger@cs.com [mailto:DannyYounger@cs.com]
> > Sent: 17. september 2002 23:37
> > To: ga@dnso.org
> > Cc: alf.hansen@uninett.no; philip.sheppard@aim.be
> > Subject: self-organization
> >
> >
> > Does ICANN have any principles left?
> >
> > It used to believe in the principle of self-organization, but
> > now it chooses
> > to dictate to ccTLD managers exactly how they should
> > construct their own
> > Supporting Organization.  We have a Board Committee
> > soliciting advice from
> > others not even in the proposed SO on how to best impose a
> > top-down solution
> > upon a community that has already demonstrated its resolve
> > and capability to
> > self-organize.
> >
> > The other day Alf Hansen wrote:  "As a ccTLD manager for .no
> > I would not
> > accept if the DNSO started to dictate how my relations to the
> > Norwegian
> > Government should be and how our internal formation of local
> > policy was
> > organized."  One has to wonder if Alf, now a member of the
> > ccNSO assistance
> > group, is comfortable with ICANN's meddling in the internal
> > affairs of the
> > ccTLDs.  One also has to wonder why others such as Phil
> > Sheppard, the former
> > Chair of the DNSO Council, would willingly agree to stick his
> > nose into the
> > business of another SO, instead of respecting the right of
> > the ccTLD Adcom to
> > pursue its own legitimate plans without interference.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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