Re: [ga] ICANN Staff's at-large website

[Joe Baptista <baptista@dot-god.com>]

On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Jeff Williams wrote:

> Abel and all,
>
>   I completely agree with Abel's concerns here as he stated them.
> Vittorio has acted badly and in seemingly bad faith.

He's perfect for Rio - Vittorio, Vittorio, oley & oivey.

I've been watching some of this crap.  Vittorio is the perfect ICANN
crony.  I can see it now - vittorio in a leather collar with a leash
attached to a scrany ester polyester.  she cracks the whip against his
hairy buttocks as she screams roll over vittorio - and vittorio rolls
over.

it's time for me to go back to my coma .. poor vittorio.

regards
joe baptista

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>
> Abel Wisman wrote:
>
> > Vittorio,
> >
> > You clearly fail to see that the moment you resigned, the maillist was
> > property of the remaining panellists, not yours to do with as you
> > please.
> > While being a panel member you had a limited right of access of that
> > list, which represent the member-list for the organisation.
> > By sending this list to non panel members and selectively upon your own
> > decision you have demonstrated a total disregard for simple democratic
> > rules, written or non-written.
> > You have willingly and purposly thrown the organisation of a cliff while
> > smiling in the rafters, making sure no election COULD take place by not
> > giving the maillist to the remainder of the panel.
> >
> > If this is your idea of how to handle a position of trust and
> > resposibility then I pity the ALAC, no matter what I think of that, with
> > you as chairman and sincerely hope that ICANN has safeguarded her
> > brainchild from the likes of you.
> >
> > No matter how you wiggle, you have only you to blame, the entire
> > organisation has you to blame, but I have no doubt you wont loose sleep
> > over it.
> >
> > You in person have no legal rights to a passwd for a site of an
> > organisation you are no longer a panel member of, nor did you have the
> > right to share that passwd with anyone BUT the panel members, no mattter
> > how few were remaining and what their political agendas were.
> >
> > Abel
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org] On Behalf
> > > Of Vittorio Bertola
> > > Sent: 17 March 2003 16:44
> > > To: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
> > > Cc: ga@dnso.org
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN Staff's at-large website
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:42:44 +0100, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >2. Vittorio Bertola is the Chair of the WG-Web maintaining
> > > >     the site discussed by Joanna, being the only one
> > > >     having the password.
> > >
> > > False. I gave the password to the watchdogs. And I am not
> > > Chair of anything any more.
> > >
> > > >3. there is a panel made of three not resigning Panelists
> > > >     including Vittorio Bertola, and there is a list of elected
> > > >     replacements that Viottorio refused to call. We will note
> > > >     that the last Panelist to resign were bored out by
> > > >     Vittorio innaction and that after the last resignation
> > > >     Vittorio ran a 8 days long vote of the Panel.
> > >
> > > You fail to mention that the three not resigning Panelists,
> > > including you, voted unanimously to have new elections rather
> > > than call replacements in and continue working. I simply
> > > applied what we decided. You could have voted against the
> > > election if you didn't want the Panel to stop working.
> > >
> > > >4. New elections are blocked because Vittorio Bertola
> > > >     made sure that the list of the Members would be
> > > >     given to two members with no mandate and no way
> > > >     to proceed, rather than to the Panel he chairs, as
> > > >     he publicly committed, and as any non ICANNer
> > > >     would do.
> > >
> > > This was my decision (given the complete lack of rules about
> > > what to do in this case) to ensure the exact opposite - that
> > > elections would actually happen, and that the rest of the
> > > Panel would not be able to cancel them. If there are
> > > practical problems that prevent the election from happening,
> > > I have said a number of times that I am available to help the
> > > watchdogs.
> > >
> > > >I thought that correcting a few erroneous details in the valuable
> > > >communication of the ALAC Chair, could help better understanding the
> > > >ICANN semantic. In ICANNers language NO means YES, etc. Once you
> > > >understdood that, they become an as reliable source of information
> > > >as any other one.
> > >
> > > Jefsey, I might say the same about you and all your dramatic
> > > postings, with which apparently you are trying to put
> > > pressure on me so that I give the list to you and you can
> > > actually put your hands on the organization. Why can't we
> > > simply have elections and let the members vote on who should
> > > lead them, rather than you and Bruce ruling the organization
> > > alone? There's no necessity for you to have the membership
> > > list before the elections.
> > > --
> > > vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a]
> > > bertola.eu.org]<------
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